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| All the hotels don't take American guests. |
Prescriptively standard English would require this to be, "Not all the hotels take American guests," or, "None of the hotels take American guests," whichever is meant.
Colloquially, even among native speakers, you'll hear it the way you wrote it.
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| He didn't go away very happy. |
This is standard English, in my opinion. |
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| #3 (permalink) Thu Jun 12, 2008 23:22 pm Attaching the negative. |
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| #4 (permalink) Thu Jun 12, 2008 23:23 pm Attaching the negative. |
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| All the hotels don't take American guests. |
Where would you find or use such a sentence? Also, does "American" refer only to people who hold US citizenship or does it include individuals from South America and Canada?
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| #5 (permalink) Thu Jun 12, 2008 23:41 pm Attaching the negative. |
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| Also, does "American" refer only to people who hold US citizenship or does it include individuals from South America and Canada? |
For me, it includes the whole bunch, as does the word "America", but the times I've been asked to clarify my meaning (and US Americans have moaned at me calling me "so PC") have led me to believe it's not worth maintaining my wide defintion.
What does the word "German" mean for you here?
All the hotels don't take German guests. |
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| #6 (permalink) Thu Jun 12, 2008 23:51 pm Attaching the negative. |
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It doesn't make much sense for a hotel to say that they don't take any American hotel guests. A hotel which promotes this kind of attitude is bound to be out of business sooner rather than later.
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| #7 (permalink) Thu Jun 12, 2008 23:53 pm Attaching the negative. |
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| It doesn't make much sense for a hotel to say that they don't take any American hotel guests. A hotel which promotes this kind of attitude is bound to be out of business sooner rather than later. |
It's just an example for linguistic discussion Torsten. You can put "Muslims" or "Nigerians" there if you like. All the same to me.
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If the hotel were in an anti-American zone... |
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| #8 (permalink) Thu Jun 12, 2008 23:57 pm Attaching the negative. |
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What is an "anti-American zone"? Sounds like "an anti-business/anti-common sense zone" to me.
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| #9 (permalink) Fri Jun 13, 2008 0:06 am Attaching the negative. |
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| What is an "anti-American zone"? Sounds like "an anti-business/anti-common sense zone" to me. |
I guess it doesn't sound that way to those who set it up. One thing, you often ask me what some of my posts have to do with helping the thread poster and his/her question: so what have your comments got to do with helping me on the thread question?
If one has a hotel in a zone that has been deemed anti-American by the local thugs, terrorists, freedom fighters, etc. the hotel owner might just be showing good business acumen if he were to post a "no Americans allowed in this hotel" notice, now mightn't he?
Catering to Americans, or anyone else who is out of favour at a given time, is not always good for business, Torsten. |
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| #10 (permalink) Fri Jun 13, 2008 0:16 am Attaching the negative. |
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| Catering to Americans, or anyone else who is out of favour at a given time, is not always good for business, Torsten. |
Or blacks! Would you agree? |
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| #11 (permalink) Fri Jun 13, 2008 0:26 am Attaching the negative. |
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| Catering to Americans, or anyone else who is out of favour at a given time, is not always good for business, Torsten. |
Or blacks! Would you agree? |
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| or anyone else who is out of favour at a given time |
BTW, does "American" not also include "black"? |
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| #12 (permalink) Fri Jun 13, 2008 0:31 am Attaching the negative. |
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| I wasn't talking about "Americans". I was talking about "anyone who is out of favor at a given time". |
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| #13 (permalink) Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:11 am Attaching the negative. |
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| And why would "anyone who is out of favor at a given time" exclude non-US black people? |
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| #14 (permalink) Fri Jun 13, 2008 18:14 pm Attaching the negative. |
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You're arguing with yourself again, Molly. :?
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Really? So tell us why Jamie wrote "or blacks" here?
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Catering to Americans, or anyone else who is out of favour at a given time, is not always good for business, Torsten.
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