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#2 (permalink) Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:25 am Reading several books on that subject, Bill considered himself an expert. |
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| "Reading several books on that subject, Bill considered himself as/of an expert." would be better, I think. |
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#3 (permalink) Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:26 am Reading several books on that subject, Bill considered himself an expert. |
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Hi,
Maybe 'Having read...'?
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#4 (permalink) Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:45 am Reading several books on that subject, Bill considered himself an expert. |
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Or "After reading...".
Maybe "Reading several books on that subject, Bill next/then/now considered himself an expert." |
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#6 (permalink) Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:17 am Reading several books on that subject, Bill considered himself an expert. |
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| I think 'reading' and 'having read' are both grammatically correct though 'having read' makes better sense. |
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#7 (permalink) Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:33 am Reading several books on that subject, Bill considered himself an expert. |
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| Haihao wrote: |
| I think 'reading' and 'having read' are both grammatically correct though 'having read' makes better sense. |
I've also heard "after having read". |
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#8 (permalink) Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:46 am Reading several books on that subject, Bill considered himself an expert. |
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O yes, that's right, although 'having read' seems to me ringing a sound of 'after' itself, but that's language, I suppose, which isn't math anyway.  |
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#9 (permalink) Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:50 am Reading several books on that subject, Bill considered himself an expert. |
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| Haihao wrote: |
O yes, that's right, although 'having read' seems to me ringing a sound of 'after' itself,  |
I agree. |
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#10 (permalink) Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:59 am Reading several books on that subject, Bill considered himself an expert. |
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| nessie wrote: |
Hi, Is there anything wrong with this sentence? (in standard grammar):
Reading several books on that subject, Bill considered himself an expert.
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In my opinion, the sentence is fine as it stands. reading suggests that he's reading several books on that subject at present and because he is able to read them, he considers himself an expert.
I heard the expression "consider somebody something" with or without "as"
Take a look at this: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=16368&dict=CALD
But, to be completely sure we need native speakers to say the final word on this thread  |
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#11 (permalink) Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:57 am Reading several books on that subject, Bill considered himself an expert. |
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. The way 'reading' has been used in the context is awkward at best. I'd recommend changing it to one of these, for example:
- Having read several books on that subject, Bill considered himself an expert. - After reading several books on that subject, Bill considered himself an expert. . |
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#12 (permalink) Mon Jun 16, 2008 14:41 pm Reading several books on that subject, Bill considered himself an expert. |
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| Yankee wrote: |
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- Having read several books on that subject, Bill considered himself an expert. - After reading several books on that subject, Bill considered himself an expert. . |
What's your opinion of "after having read"? |
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#13 (permalink) Mon Jun 16, 2008 17:03 pm Reading several books on that subject, Bill considered himself an expert. |
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I'm not Yankee, but I find "After having read" to be grammatical, although it suggests, possibly, a transition. Bill was very nervous about the idea of becoming a father, but after having read several books on the subject, he considered himself an expert."
I don't find it very elegant writing - I'd prefer the simpler "after he read." But I don't find it ungrammatical. |
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