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Why would this interest you?
Because you asked this question:
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Was an Indian speaker of English employed to teach the course?
Could a teacher of a variant different from Indian English teach it? |
Isn't it the same if I ask you a similar question? You weren't trying to pick a fight when you asked that question, were you? |
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| #48 (permalink) Tue Jun 24, 2008 14:41 pm Supporting myths |
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Hi
I always pick fights with people who box out of my weight division, and for different belts ; )
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| #49 (permalink) Tue Jun 24, 2008 14:53 pm Supporting myths |
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But my heavyweight to your *weight? Is that fair on you?  |
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| #50 (permalink) Tue Jun 24, 2008 14:56 pm Supporting myths |
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Never watched Snatch, or Eastern Promises? the bigger they are the harder they ............
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| #51 (permalink) Tue Jun 24, 2008 19:55 pm Supporting myths |
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Never watched Snatch, or Eastern Promises? the bigger they are the harder they ............ |
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| #52 (permalink) Tue Jun 24, 2008 21:42 pm Supporting myths |
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| Many companies do indeed do that. We deal with a lot of HR managers who now feel they are experts in language training. Many such people want to be a part of the planning phase and want continual reports on the progress of the student. If such progress shows a marked departure from the agreed programme, those HR managers get upset, demand adherence to the programme and/or cancel the course. In many modern ESL situations within language academies, it is the HR client who calls the shots. |
How do the HR managers define the goals they want to achieve with the programs they book and how do they measure the progress made by the students? I mean, if they want a school to teach their employees a certain 'variant of English', how do they define that variant in the first place? Let's say an HR wants their staff to be taught Irish business English. What would you do as as provider of English language training services? How would you make sure your clients learn "Irish business English"?
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Tell us, what is that exactly? We do know what these variants
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| How do the HR managers define the goals they want to achieve with the programs they book and how do they measure the progress made by the students? |
Goals are based on needs, and needs are based on present or pending projects. For example, a saleman is going to spend 2 years in India setting up an office in which most of the staff and customers will be Indian English speakers. HR managers might consult the local chamber of commerce and local businessmen/women in the target location and ask what they felt was necessary for a salesperson to know regarding language use in the region. The salesman might, for example, learn a combination of Hindi and Indian English, with a bit of Hinglish thrown in for good measure. An HR manager might also recruit a "consultant" or teacher of Indian English to help form a programme of learning.
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| I mean, if they want a school to teach their employees a certain 'variant of English', how do they define that variant in the first place? |
The variant is already defined. It is defined by the location it is used in. |
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How do you learn Hinglish or Indian English when you live and work in Spain, have a 'high pressure job', a family and time consuming hobbies like watching TV and playing football? What if you put a lot of effort, time and energy into learning Hinglish and/or Indian English and after a while your HR manager tells you the India project has scrapped and they are going to send you to Russia instead?
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| #55 (permalink) Tue Jun 24, 2008 23:46 pm Supporting myths |
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I haven't been able to google up an offer of a course in Indian English for Spanish nationals.
On the home front, the phrase "command of Indian English" returns no pages.
Who teaches these courses, M?
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| Who teaches these courses, M? |
Read back, Mr P. I've already mentioned that the Indian English example was hypothetical. If such a course existed/exists, would you say that it could/may be useful to some business people? |
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| If such a course existed/exists, would you say that it could/may be useful to some business people? |
To the "business people" who charged for the courses, most certainly.
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| #58 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 0:04 am Supporting myths |
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I'll answer your post when you respond to the two PMs I sent you today.
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Is that the going rate? Two PMs for a post?
I've been undercharging.
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| I've been undercharging. |
With the amount of PMs you feel a need to make, I'm surprised the system doesn't collapse. |
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| #60 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 0:10 am Supporting myths |
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| With the amount of PMs you feel a need to make, I'm surprised the system doesn't collapse. |
What a strange comment. I've never PM'd you, old thing.
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