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Rewrite sentence: The tables and the chairs have to be moved from his room. | 'day by day' vs 'everyday'
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The use of 'The' Mon Jun 16, 2008 20:34 pm  The use of 'The'
 

Hi

Could you please tell me why we use (if we use) the in such sentences?

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The 30 year old Dr. Laila is one of the best dentists in this town.

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The use of 'The' Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:03 am  The use of 'The'
 

Maybe there are more than one Dr. Laila in that town. At least the speaker wants to emphasize Laila IS the best.
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The use of 'The' Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:13 pm  The use of 'The'
 

Tom wrote:
Hi

Could you please tell me why we use (if we use) the in such sentences?

Quote:
The 30 year old Dr. Laila is one of the best dentists in this town.

The article probably wasn't necessary, but it's not wrong. There are two main reasons why the article might be used:

1. As the usual indicator that a person or thing has already been introduced into the story or conversation. ("I saw a dog running through the street, and the dog bit someone." The basically means, "This is the same dog I've just mentioned.")

2. It's generally not considered correct to begin an English sentence with a numeral, so the author began the sentence with "the" in order to avoid spelling out the word "thirty".

The least likely reason is the one Haihao mentioned: The article may have mentioned 30-year-old Dr. Laila and 85-year-old Dr. Laila and "the" is being used as part of the indication that it's the younger one being mentioned. If this were the case, then the article would be obligatory.
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The use of 'The' Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:19 pm  The use of 'The'
 

1. As the usual indicator that a person or thing has already been introduced into the story or conversation. ("I saw a dog running through the street, and the dog bit someone." The basically means, "This is the same dog I've just mentioned.")

2. It's generally not considered correct to begin an English sentence with a numeral, so the author began the sentence with "the" in order to avoid spelling out the word "thirty".

And here?

The famous musician, Bonrot, will be visiting Paris this summer.

As against "Famous musician, Bonrot, will...".

The Collector felt no confidence at all that her child had not been made in vain. The lovely Mrs Wright, still on her knees, stirred sleepily and the Collector saw her profile mirrored in a pool of rainwater beside her.

That is a legacy of the late Mr Kenneth Clarke, Health Service Minister.

Still, as a festive substitute for barbed wire, it was pretty effective. Even the mysterious Mr Goodson had a cut-out paper sign saying MERRY XMAS across his door.

So here's some advice for the beleaguered Mr Major.

"take over from departing director J. Carter Brown, who has led the fifty-one year old institution for the last twenty-three years. Mr Powell will relinquish directorship of the Los Angeles County Museum of Art (LACMA) to assume the new post on 1 September. The rumour mill had been in high gear since late January, when the fifty-seven year old Mr Brown announced he would retire by the end of the year to devote more time to "parenting"


I think "the" helps express a certain, sometimes temporary or topical, characteristic or state, of the person being talked about.

e.g.

First we had the confident Mr Jamie, now we have the beleaguered one.
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The use of 'The' Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:28 pm  The use of 'The'
 

I was answering Tom's specific question, not every possibility that the mind of Molly could imagine.

Please refrain from making inaccurate, idiotic conjectures about my emotional state.

First we had malicious Molly, and we still have malicious Molly.
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The use of 'The' Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:32 pm  The use of 'The'
 

Jamie (K) wrote:
I was answering Tom's specific question, not every possibility that the mind of Molly could imagine.

Sorry, Jamie, but you stated that there are two main reasons why the article could be used in such contexts. Where do you get the "two main reasons" conclusion from?

Quote:
First we had malicious Molly, and we still have malicious Molly.

Now your workin'. So, tell us, what would be the difference in use/function between these?

First we had malicious Molly, and we still have malicious Molly.
First we had the malicious Molly, and we still have the malicious Molly.
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The use of 'The' Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:39 pm  The use of 'The'
 

I have found 'the' ('a' as well) very English or the very English (other European languages with articles as well). If a formula or the formula could be found for the usage of 'the', then the English would become an English like mathematics.
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The use of 'The' Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:47 pm  The use of 'The'
 

Haihao wrote:
I have found 'the' ('a' as well) very English or the very English (other European languages with articles as well). If a formula or the formula could be found for the usage of 'the', then the English would become an English like mathematics.

Indeed.

Here are more examples of the same:

As I recall, then, it was only an hour or so after being first entrusted with the mission that I noticed the young Mr Cardinal alone in the library, sitting at one of the writing tables, absorbed in some documents.

The remains of the day. Ishiguro, Kazuo. London: Faber & Faber Ltd, 1989

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Mr Habibullah is still missing, the matter has now gone to the Lahore High Court, and the assembly's fate will be decided when Mr Sharif's friends produce the unfortunate Mr Habibullah next week.

The Economist.

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Even a demobilising Soviet Union will still be a nuclear-armed one. And who knows who comes after the affable Mr Gorbachev?

The Economist. 1990.

........

They oppose the proposed changes for political reasons, believing that they form part of the task the prime minister, Michel Rocard, has set himself to reform public sector industry --; reforms that many to the left of Mr Rocard believe to be inherently unsocialist. The astute Mr Quiles has made a promising start.

Independent, elect. edn. of 1989
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The use of 'The' Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:50 pm  The use of 'The'
 

That's the relish of a real English. (I'm sorry for the boldness.)
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The use of 'The' Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:53 pm  The use of 'The'
 

And how about these?

the now defunct Royal Opera
the now deceased Mr Jones
the just-married, Manny Rubenstein
the presently nominated Mr Hermann Habermann
the recently widowed Mr. Brown
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The use of 'The' Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:53 pm  The use of 'The'
 

Haihao wrote:
That's the relish of a real English. (I'm sorry for the boldness)

Indeed, but it might still need explaining.
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The use of 'The' Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:57 pm  The use of 'The'
 

And which would one normally hear and why?

The Right Honourable Dr. Mo Mowlam.
Right Honourable Dr. Mo Mowlam.
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The use of 'The' Tue Jun 17, 2008 13:06 pm  The use of 'The'
 

It also seems to me that 'the' or 'a' could be considered as a part of the word or the phrase following. Extremely speaking, we can do without them but we add them to the ward or phrase to make the 'new' word a 'participating' and 'committing' one into the sentence to have a better nuance or implication. It also could contribute to rhythm or a better word carrying. Just my two cents.
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The use of 'The' Tue Jun 17, 2008 13:11 pm  The use of 'The'
 

Haihao wrote:
It also seems to me that 'the' or 'a' could be considered as a part of the word or the phrase following. Extremely speaking, we can do without them but we add them to the ward or phrase to make the 'new' word a 'participating' and 'committing' one into the sentence to have a better nuance or implication. It also could contribute to rhythm or a better word carrying. Just my two cents.

I'd just go back to the "which Mr X"? "the + adjective/adjectival Mr X" idea. Salience, or something.
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The use of 'The' Tue Jun 17, 2008 13:13 pm  The use of 'The'
 

Right Honourable Dr. Mo Mowlam sounds awkward to me. For me, it's just like to say the United States of America would be much better and natural then United States of America, which many Asian English learners seem to have no interest in.
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