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What 'variant of English' would you learn? Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:01 am  What 'variant of English' would you learn?		  
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Putting the "blame" on the speaker is not fair or correct.

Did I do that? or did you misunderstand my point

and is making a statement assigning blame?

There can often be a lack of clarity in communication, however we have to meet on common ground, donīt you think.

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What 'variant of English' would you learn? Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:13 am  What 'variant of English' would you learn?		  
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and is making a statement assigning blame?

What do the quotes here mean to you?

don't "blame" the listener

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There can often be a lack of clarity in communication, however we have to meet on common ground, donīt you think.

Indeed. I was very surprised by Jamie's comments about our German friend.
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What 'variant of English' would you learn? Thu Jul 24, 2008 14:40 pm  What 'variant of English' would you learn?		  
Molly wrote:
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But I think it is also a tendency for listeners to be lazy and they donīt concentrate.

I doubt it's just that. There's also: environmental interference, lack of familiarity with the subject, tiredness, difference in accents, etc. Putting the "blame" on the speaker is not fair or correct.

It's the same here. If one sometimes questions the meaning of a native-speaker's comments, many speakers blame the reader for not understanding.

Who is 'one' and who is 'the reader' in verbal communication?

And why do you doubt that listeners get can get lazy or show a lack of concentration?
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What 'variant of English' would you learn? Thu Jul 24, 2008 15:22 pm  What 'variant of English' would you learn?		  
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And why do you doubt that listeners get can get lazy or show a lack of concentration?

Where did I say I doubted that?

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Who is 'one' and who is 'the reader' in verbal communication?

"One" is many of us. Do you wish to be excluded from that "one" label? "Reader" is a name sometimes given to those who read text, images, the spoken, word, a dark sky, etc. Is it new to you in such contexts?
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What 'variant of English' would you learn? Thu Jul 24, 2008 16:40 pm  What 'variant of English' would you learn?		  
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Where did I say I doubted that?

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But I think it is also a tendency for listeners to be lazy and they donīt concentrate.


I doubt it's just that.

Indeed, 'one' is many of us.. Thought you were talking about learners, though. But I'm sure you can bend a bough of anything.

You make real learners look very small. One could think you're using your Molly mask to make native speakers look small, too.
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What 'variant of English' would you learn? Thu Jul 24, 2008 17:11 pm  What 'variant of English' would you learn?		  
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And why do you doubt that listeners get can get lazy or show a lack of concentration?

What is the function of "just" here, Ralf?

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I doubt it's just that.

As for the rest of your post: is it really suitable for a moderator to behave in that way? What is it that you hope to gain from such attacks?
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What 'variant of English' would you learn? Thu Jul 24, 2008 20:43 pm  What 'variant of English' would you learn?		  
We know, you want to feel victimised. Play your little games, as long as you keep posting, we're happy.
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What 'variant of English' would you learn? Thu Jul 24, 2008 21:11 pm  What 'variant of English' would you learn?		  
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We know, you want to feel victimised. Play your little games, as long as you keep posting, we're happy.

Ralf, you've been given the position of moderator, now behave as one. Or at least behave as an adult.
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What 'variant of English' would you learn? Thu Jul 24, 2008 21:51 pm  What 'variant of English' would you learn?		  
"When an offhand answer is given to a fuzzy question, professorial pique erupts." James D. Hodgson
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What 'variant of English' would you learn? Thu Jul 24, 2008 22:12 pm  What 'variant of English' would you learn?		  
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"When an offhand answer is given to a fuzzy question, professorial pique erupts." James D. Hodgson

How far would you like to take this, Mr Moderator?
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What 'variant of English' would you learn? Thu Jul 24, 2008 22:42 pm  What 'variant of English' would you learn?		  
I know that you never stop. Just look at this thread!

So, let's keep bad manners away from learners. Come out and play!
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What 'variant of English' would you learn? Thu Jul 24, 2008 22:55 pm  What 'variant of English' would you learn?		  
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I know that you never stop. Just look at this thread!

So, let's keep bad manners away from learners. Come out and play!

Ralf, you need a holiday. Did you check out just how many off-topic, bad mannered posts MrP made in this thread? No? Why not?
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What 'variant of English' would you learn? Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:09 am  What 'variant of English' would you learn?		  
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Did you check out just how many bad mannered posts MrP made in this thread?

(...sometimes I was typing with my mouth full, too...)
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What 'variant of English' would you learn? Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:26 am  What 'variant of English' would you learn?		  
hi guys

The sandbox is full again.
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And Molly we all question a person in authorities decisions; why do you think referees are called the b******* in black.

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What 'variant of English' would you learn? Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:51 am  What 'variant of English' would you learn?		  
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And Molly we all question a person in authorities decisions; why do you think referees are called the b******* in black.

And we know how referees hate to be questioned, don't we? Wink After all they have an image to keep up. Wink
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