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What do the quotes here mean to you?
don't "blame" the listener
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Indeed. I was very surprised by Jamie's comments about our German friend. |
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| #93 (permalink) Thu Jul 24, 2008 13:40 pm What 'variant of English' would you learn? |
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| But I think it is also a tendency for listeners to be lazy and they donīt concentrate. |
I doubt it's just that. There's also: environmental interference, lack of familiarity with the subject, tiredness, difference in accents, etc. Putting the "blame" on the speaker is not fair or correct.
It's the same here. If one sometimes questions the meaning of a native-speaker's comments, many speakers blame the reader for not understanding. |
Who is 'one' and who is 'the reader' in verbal communication?
And why do you doubt that listeners get can get lazy or show a lack of concentration?
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| #94 (permalink) Thu Jul 24, 2008 14:22 pm What 'variant of English' would you learn? |
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Where did I say I doubted that?
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"One" is many of us. Do you wish to be excluded from that "one" label? "Reader" is a name sometimes given to those who read text, images, the spoken, word, a dark sky, etc. Is it new to you in such contexts? |
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| #95 (permalink) Thu Jul 24, 2008 15:40 pm What 'variant of English' would you learn? |
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| Where did I say I doubted that? |
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I doubt it's just that. |
Indeed, 'one' is many of us.. Thought you were talking about learners, though. But I'm sure you can bend a bough of anything.
You make real learners look very small. One could think you're using your Molly mask to make native speakers look small, too.
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| #96 (permalink) Thu Jul 24, 2008 16:11 pm What 'variant of English' would you learn? |
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What is the function of "just" here, Ralf?
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As for the rest of your post: is it really suitable for a moderator to behave in that way? What is it that you hope to gain from such attacks? |
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| We know, you want to feel victimised. Play your little games, as long as you keep posting, we're happy. |
Ralf, you've been given the position of moderator, now behave as one. Or at least behave as an adult. |
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| #100 (permalink) Thu Jul 24, 2008 21:12 pm What 'variant of English' would you learn? |
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How far would you like to take this, Mr Moderator? |
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I know that you never stop. Just look at this thread!
So, let's keep bad manners away from learners. Come out and play! |
Ralf, you need a holiday. Did you check out just how many off-topic, bad mannered posts MrP made in this thread? No? Why not? |
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| #103 (permalink) Fri Jul 25, 2008 0:09 am What 'variant of English' would you learn? |
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| Did you check out just how many bad mannered posts MrP made in this thread? |
(...sometimes I was typing with my mouth full, too...) |
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After all they have an image to keep up.