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The origins of Standard English lie in writing/the written form.



 
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The origins of Standard English lie in writing/the written form. #1 (permalink) Sun Jun 22, 2008 23:13 pm   The origins of Standard English lie in writing/the written form.
 

The origins of Standard English lie in writing/the written form.

True or false?
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The origins of Standard English lie in writing/the written form. #2 (permalink) Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:41 am   The origins of Standard English lie in writing/the written form.
 

You're trying to pick a fight again with another elementary concept from first-semester English linguistics.

Standard English was originally an amalgamation of various dialects, using features common to the majority of them. It was devised at the time printing began in England, so that publishers' texts could be universally understood, beyond the region in which they were printed.

In the hundreds of years since, however, people have been schooled in the written standard to the point where a variable spoken standard has arisen that is based on that written standard but is not identical to it.

That's the answer. Of course, you posted your question in order to lead someone into some kind of argument, but I don't care where you were hoping to lead us.
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The origins of Standard English lie in writing/the written form. #3 (permalink) Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:23 am   The origins of Standard English lie in writing/the written form.
 

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You're trying to pick a fight again with another elementary concept from first-semester English linguistics.


Well, Jamie, if you're not up for a fight, as you call it, or have passed beyond a few of us on this level, what are you doing in this thread? I asked the same of Ralf. I really can't understand why those who are not interested in the thread topic decide to join the thread. Are you trolling and sniping here?

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Standard English was originally an amalgamation of various dialects, using features common to the majority of them.


We ended up with "saw" as the past tense of see, when we also had seed, sawed, see, and seen. Where is the common thread?
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The origins of Standard English lie in writing/the written form. #4 (permalink) Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:31 am   The origins of Standard English lie in writing/the written form.
 

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to the point where a variable spoken standard has arisen that is based on that written standard but is not identical to it.


So which form is more precise here if describing that variable spoken standard?

spoken S/standard English
S/standard spoken English

And, isn't variation relatively unusual in standardised English?

If you think this below your level, feel no obligation to reply.
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