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English multiple negation Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:19 am  English multiple negation
 

Is multiple negation, in English, often appropriate to the situations in which it occurs?
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English multiple negation Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:21 am  English multiple negation
 

No, no, no, no, no!

A thousand times no!

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English multiple negation Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:19 am  English multiple negation
 

MrPedantic wrote:
No, no, no, no, no!

A thousand times no!

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two no's make a "yes" (like -(-x) = +x)
so, a thousand times "no" means "yes" in the end Laughing (an optimistic view)
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English multiple negation Wed Jun 25, 2008 15:23 pm  English multiple negation
 

I've heard native speaker say things like "it doesn't mean nothing" so it seems that double negation is quite common in colloquial spoken English.
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English multiple negation Wed Jun 25, 2008 15:23 pm  English multiple negation
 

1000 no's multiplied by themselves would make a yes:

-1 to the 1000th is 1. lol
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English multiple negation Wed Jun 25, 2008 17:14 pm  English multiple negation
 

Torsten wrote:
I've heard native speaker say things like "it doesn't mean nothing" so it seems that double negation is quite common in colloquial spoken English.

I've heard the same, and I'm wondering whether anyone here thinks such usage could be appropriate to the situations in which it occurs.
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English multiple negation Wed Jun 25, 2008 18:30 pm  English multiple negation
 

you guys will hear things like "it doesn't mean nothing" all the time down here

or, worse, "it don't mean nothing".
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English multiple negation Wed Jun 25, 2008 18:46 pm  English multiple negation
 

How about: I ain now nuttin'
Or: I ain own nobody nuttin'
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English multiple negation Wed Jun 25, 2008 19:02 pm  English multiple negation
 

in both of those just replace "ain't" with "don't" -- some down here might say "I don't know nothin'" or "I don't owe nobody nothin'".

"ain't" generally takes the place of "haven't", "hasn't", "aren't", "isn't", etc.:

- I ain't going to the show tonight.

- He ain't done his homework yet.

- They ain't eaten their beans yet.

- They ain't going to the game.
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English multiple negation Wed Jun 25, 2008 19:16 pm  English multiple negation
 

prezbucky wrote:
you guys will hear things like "it doesn't mean nothing" all the time down here

or, worse, "it don't mean nothing".

What's bad about the first one?
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English multiple negation Wed Jun 25, 2008 19:37 pm  English multiple negation
 

prezbucky wrote:
in both of those just replace "ain't" with "don't" -- some down here might say "I don't know nothin'" or "I don't owe nobody nothin'".

"ain't" generally takes the place of "haven't", "hasn't", "aren't", "isn't", etc.:

- I ain't going to the show tonight.

- He ain't done his homework yet.

- They ain't eaten their beans yet.

- They ain't going to the game.

Hi, Tom

And now I have a conundrum for you, take a close look at this sentence:
Not only did they not come, they even did not bother to call and tell us they were not coming

Can you rephrase the first clause to rectify the double negative gaffe ? Smile
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English multiple negation Wed Jun 25, 2008 20:09 pm  English multiple negation
 

Hi Alex

I might "rectify" things by relocating the word even:
Not only did they not come, they didn't even bother to call and tell us they weren't coming. Very Happy

By the way, I'd say you'd be far more likely to hear "He don't know nothing" than "He doesn't know nothing". Laughing
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English multiple negation Wed Jun 25, 2008 20:42 pm  English multiple negation
 

1. He is not unusual.
2. He doesn't know nothing = he knows something (emphatic denial that he knows nothing)
3. He doesn't know nothing = he doesn't know anything.

The double negation in #1 and #2 is standard English; though some people dislike the form of #1.

Double negation of the #3 kind is a shibboleth, for many speakers: if you were investing a large sum of money in someone's business, it would be looked upon kindly; but in e.g. an interview, it might have a (doubly) negative effect.

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English multiple negation Thu Jun 26, 2008 0:37 am  English multiple negation
 

Alex -- sorry I didn't answer sooner

Amy made the necessary correction. (as usual)

Though it ain't quite perfect, I'm impressed with your sentence.

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English multiple negation Thu Jun 26, 2008 0:39 am  English multiple negation
 

...and i didn't go quite far enough in one of the above posts when I gave this as an example:

"They ain't eaten their beans yet."

To some down here, it would be even worse:

"They ain't ate their beans yet."
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