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#2 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 0:21 am English multiple negation |
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No, no, no, no, no!
A thousand times no!
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#3 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:19 am English multiple negation |
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| MrPedantic wrote: |
No, no, no, no, no!
A thousand times no!
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two no's make a "yes" (like -(-x) = +x) so, a thousand times "no" means "yes" in the end (an optimistic view) |
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#4 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 14:23 pm English multiple negation |
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I've heard native speaker say things like "it doesn't mean nothing" so it seems that double negation is quite common in colloquial spoken English. _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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#5 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 14:23 pm English multiple negation |
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1000 no's multiplied by themselves would make a yes:
-1 to the 1000th is 1. lol _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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#6 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 16:14 pm English multiple negation |
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| Torsten wrote: |
| I've heard native speaker say things like "it doesn't mean nothing" so it seems that double negation is quite common in colloquial spoken English. |
I've heard the same, and I'm wondering whether anyone here thinks such usage could be appropriate to the situations in which it occurs. |
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#7 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 17:30 pm English multiple negation |
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you guys will hear things like "it doesn't mean nothing" all the time down here
or, worse, "it don't mean nothing". _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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#8 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 17:46 pm English multiple negation |
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How about: I ain now nuttin' Or: I ain own nobody nuttin' |
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#9 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 18:02 pm English multiple negation |
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in both of those just replace "ain't" with "don't" -- some down here might say "I don't know nothin'" or "I don't owe nobody nothin'".
"ain't" generally takes the place of "haven't", "hasn't", "aren't", "isn't", etc.:
- I ain't going to the show tonight.
- He ain't done his homework yet.
- They ain't eaten their beans yet.
- They ain't going to the game. _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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#10 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 18:16 pm English multiple negation |
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| prezbucky wrote: |
you guys will hear things like "it doesn't mean nothing" all the time down here
or, worse, "it don't mean nothing". |
What's bad about the first one? |
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#11 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 18:37 pm English multiple negation |
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| prezbucky wrote: |
in both of those just replace "ain't" with "don't" -- some down here might say "I don't know nothin'" or "I don't owe nobody nothin'".
"ain't" generally takes the place of "haven't", "hasn't", "aren't", "isn't", etc.:
- I ain't going to the show tonight.
- He ain't done his homework yet.
- They ain't eaten their beans yet.
- They ain't going to the game. |
Hi, Tom
And now I have a conundrum for you, take a close look at this sentence: Not only did they not come, they even did not bother to call and tell us they were not coming
Can you rephrase the first clause to rectify the double negative gaffe ?  |
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#13 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 19:42 pm English multiple negation |
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1. He is not unusual. 2. He doesn't know nothing = he knows something (emphatic denial that he knows nothing) 3. He doesn't know nothing = he doesn't know anything.
The double negation in #1 and #2 is standard English; though some people dislike the form of #1.
Double negation of the #3 kind is a shibboleth, for many speakers: if you were investing a large sum of money in someone's business, it would be looked upon kindly; but in e.g. an interview, it might have a (doubly) negative effect.
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#14 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 23:37 pm English multiple negation |
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Alex -- sorry I didn't answer sooner
Amy made the necessary correction. (as usual)
Though it ain't quite perfect, I'm impressed with your sentence.
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#15 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 23:39 pm English multiple negation |
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...and i didn't go quite far enough in one of the above posts when I gave this as an example:
"They ain't eaten their beans yet."
To some down here, it would be even worse:
"They ain't ate their beans yet." _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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