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#2 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 18:17 pm "don't seem to" vs "seem not to" |
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They seem completely the same to me.
I suggest that the first version would be more common in the US. |
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#3 (permalink) Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:25 am "don't seem to" vs "seem not to" |
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Uhm... I wonder about the usage of the 2nd one in BrE, too, Barb. I can't be sure if it's correct but somehow I feel it's not very natural to native speakers' ears. :D Anyway, I really want to know ideas of a British :) By the way, have you ever heard: "to not do something"?
i.e: 1/ - She told me to not enter the house - She told me not to enter the house 2/ - He professes to not be ready for that. - He professes not to be ready for that.
(I remember coming across this usage in one of my listening material, but I can't remember the context, so I wite these sentences myself :D) _________________ :(... something we never have again, I know... I guess I really really know.. :(
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#4 (permalink) Thu Jun 26, 2008 14:10 pm "don't seem to" vs "seem not to" |
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There are a lot of people who will tell you never to split an infinitive -- that is, not to put the words "not" (or "never," etc.) bewteen "to" and the other part of the verb. I'm not one of them. I think it's okay to say things like to boldly go, and to sometimes split.
There are other people who will tell you that saying "I said not to open the door" has a different meaning than "I said to not open the door." You won't find 100% agreement on this. |
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#5 (permalink) Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:04 am "don't seem to" vs "seem not to" |
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Thanks a lot, Barb :)
As for "I said not to open the door" vs "I said to not open the door.", I find these a bit strange. Do they mean this in direct speech: "I said: "Don't open the door""? If so, then "I said to open the door" is also correct? (direct speech: "I said: "Open the door!"), but this usage is really strange. Can it be used in formal English? :O _________________ :(... something we never have again, I know... I guess I really really know.. :(
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#6 (permalink) Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:25 pm "don't seem to" vs "seem not to" |
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Hi Nessie
In everyday speech, I'd say you're far more likely to hear people use the verb 'tell' rather than 'say' when reporting a sentence (command) such as "Don't open the door". In other words: "I told you/him/her/them not to open the door". . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#7 (permalink) Sat Jun 28, 2008 14:34 pm "don't seem to" vs "seem not to" |
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| Yankee wrote: |
Hi Nessie
In everyday speech, I'd say you're far more likely to hear people use the verb 'tell' rather than 'say' when reporting a sentence (command) such as "Don't open the door". In other words: "I told you/him/her/them not to open the door". . |
Thanks a lot, Amy :) I also think "tell" is more right (I am taught so :)) However I just want to know whether the use of "say" is acceptable in formal English.
Many thanks in advance. Nessie. :) _________________ :(... something we never have again, I know... I guess I really really know.. :(
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#8 (permalink) Sat Jun 28, 2008 23:13 pm "don't seem to" vs "seem not to" |
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. Yes . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#9 (permalink) Sat Jun 28, 2008 23:20 pm "don't seem to" vs "seem not to" |
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| Does "I said not to open the door" conceive a certain amount of annoyed feeling? |
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#10 (permalink) Mon Jun 30, 2008 15:55 pm "don't seem to" vs "seem not to" |
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I think it does :)
By the way, "I said not to open the door" is right, but I still find "I said to open the door" a bit strange... Is it correct, too? (We've been talking about the negative form only - I know I'm fussy but please give me a confirmation)
Thank you very much. Nessie :) _________________ :(... something we never have again, I know... I guess I really really know.. :(
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