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Craving Respect Fri Jun 27, 2008 15:50 pm  Craving Respect		  
Ralf wrote:
Hi Molly,

The main reason why people don't pay you respect may be found in your obvious desire to incite people to act up on you. In this thread you had the majority of contributions (10/19), but not a single one pertinent to the topic.

How do you expect us to respect you?

And why do you choose language forums for your guerrilla war dance?

Interesting that you count off-topic hits only in threads in which you haven't yet run wild. Also interesting that you do not note who made the first off-topic post in THIS thread, or maybe that's not important to you in your witch hunt. Go join Mr P-ixelwaster.
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Craving respect Fri Jun 27, 2008 19:52 pm  Craving respect		  
Hello Ski,

SkiIucK wrote:
I don't like mocking at someone's illiteracy, stupidity of statement or whatever.

I entirely agree with you.

(I should add that I think an interest in a distinctive usage, rather than mockery, was the context here.)

Best wishes,

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Craving respect Fri Jun 27, 2008 20:41 pm  Craving respect		  
Hi MrPedantic,

Thank you for sharing the same thoughts. Could you please elaborate what you have said in the parentheses? Is it that I have improperly used the word 'mock' in there?

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Craving respect Sat Jun 28, 2008 0:44 am  Craving respect		  
Hello Ski,

No, your use of "mock" was fine. My comment in parentheses meant that M's use of "such" was probably mentioned because it is distinctive (idiolectal).

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Craving respect Sat Jun 28, 2008 16:22 pm  Craving respect		  
MrPedantic wrote:
My comment in parentheses meant that M's use of "such" was probably mentioned because it is distinctive (idiolectal).

Hi, Mr.P

Shall I take it that Molly's use of "such" sounds weird to you ? (I suppose the sentence was Do you imagine I crave such?)
If so, how would you put it? (something like Do you imagine I crave respect ?)

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Craving respect Sat Jun 28, 2008 22:23 pm  Craving respect		  
I don't mind her use of "such"

I simply imagine that she's saying "such things" or "such actions" (whatever the context requires), and go on about my business.

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Craving respect Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:20 am  Craving respect		  
lost_soul wrote:
Shall I take it that Molly's use of "such" sounds weird to you ? (I suppose the sentence was Do you imagine I crave such?)

Hello Alex,

I wouldn't say "weird"; but it's quite unusual to find "such" used as an all-purpose substitute pronoun in object position. In some respects, the usage reminds me of "tal", in Spanish.

lost_soul wrote:
If so, how would you put it? (something like Do you imagine I crave respect ?)

Yes, that would be how I would put it.

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Craving respect Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:18 am  Craving respect		  
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I wouldn't say "weird"; but it's quite unusual to find "such" used as an all-purpose substitute pronoun in object position.

In whose variant?

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In some respects, the usage reminds me of "tal", in Spanish
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Do you speak Spanish, Mr P? To what level?

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Yes, that would be how I would put it.

Interesting. Why wouldn't you use a pronoun in such contexts?
Maybe we crave respect from different sources, Mr P:

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Mrs Thatcher is an activist Prime Minister and her Press Office is keen that she is seen as such.

Thatcherism and British politics. Kavanagh, Dennis. Oxford: OUP, 1990

If it's good enough for OUP, it's good enough for me. Why not for you and Jamie?
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Craving respect Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:52 am  Craving respect		  
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Mrs Thatcher is an activist Prime Minister and her Press Office is keen that she is seen as such.

"To be seen as such", "to be recognised as such", "to be portrayed as such", etc. – these are usual formations.

But a simple pronominal "such" ("Do you crave such?") as the object of a verb is quite unusual. (Note that I didn't say "wrong" earlier: merely "distinctive".)

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Craving respect Sun Jun 29, 2008 16:24 pm  Craving respect		  
MrPedantic wrote:
But a simple pronominal "such" ("Do you crave such?") as the object of a verb is quite unusual. (Note that I didn't say "wrong" earlier: merely "distinctive".)

MrP

I get that kind of feeling with "awry" and "I've been asked by X to call you". Nice to hear a bit of "distinctive" language now and again.
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Craving respect Sun Jun 29, 2008 23:17 pm  Craving respect		  
Molly wrote:
I get that kind of feeling with "awry"

Yes; though in an online context, the frequency of a phrase is sometimes more of an indicator than the phrase itself.

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Craving respect Sun Jun 29, 2008 23:52 pm  Craving respect		  
MrPedantic wrote:
Yes; though in an online context, the frequency of a phrase is sometimes more of an indicator than the phrase itself.

MrP

An indicator of?
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