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Hello Ski,
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I don't like mocking at someone's illiteracy, stupidity of statement or whatever.
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I entirely agree with you.
(I should add that I think an interest in a distinctive usage, rather than mockery, was the context here.)
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| #18 (permalink) Fri Jun 27, 2008 19:41 pm Craving respect |
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Hi MrPedantic,
Thank you for sharing the same thoughts. Could you please elaborate what you have said in the parentheses? Is it that I have improperly used the word 'mock' in there?
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| #19 (permalink) Fri Jun 27, 2008 23:44 pm Craving respect |
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Hello Ski,
No, your use of "mock" was fine. My comment in parentheses meant that M's use of "such" was probably mentioned because it is distinctive (idiolectal).
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| #20 (permalink) Sat Jun 28, 2008 15:22 pm Craving respect |
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| MrPedantic wrote: |
My comment in parentheses meant that M's use of "such" was probably mentioned because it is distinctive (idiolectal).
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Hi, Mr.P
Shall I take it that Molly's use of "such" sounds weird to you ? (I suppose the sentence was Do you imagine I crave such?)
If so, how would you put it? (something like Do you imagine I crave respect ?)
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| #21 (permalink) Sat Jun 28, 2008 21:23 pm Craving respect |
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I don't mind her use of "such"
I simply imagine that she's saying "such things" or "such actions" (whatever the context requires), and go on about my business.
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| #22 (permalink) Sun Jun 29, 2008 0:20 am Craving respect |
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Shall I take it that Molly's use of "such" sounds weird to you ? (I suppose the sentence was Do you imagine I crave such?)
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Hello Alex,
I wouldn't say "weird"; but it's quite unusual to find "such" used as an all-purpose substitute pronoun in object position. In some respects, the usage reminds me of "tal", in Spanish.
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If so, how would you put it? (something like Do you imagine I crave respect ?)
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Yes, that would be how I would put it.
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| #23 (permalink) Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:18 am Craving respect |
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| I wouldn't say "weird"; but it's quite unusual to find "such" used as an all-purpose substitute pronoun in object position. |
In whose variant?
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| In some respects, the usage reminds me of "tal", in Spanish |
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Do you speak Spanish, Mr P? To what level?
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| Yes, that would be how I would put it. |
Interesting. Why wouldn't you use a pronoun in such contexts?
Maybe we crave respect from different sources, Mr P:
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| #24 (permalink) Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:52 am Craving respect |
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Mrs Thatcher is an activist Prime Minister and her Press Office is keen that she is seen as such.
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"To be seen as such", "to be recognised as such", "to be portrayed as such", etc. – these are usual formations.
But a simple pronominal "such" ("Do you crave such?") as the object of a verb is quite unusual. (Note that I didn't say "wrong" earlier: merely "distinctive".)
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| #25 (permalink) Sun Jun 29, 2008 15:24 pm Craving respect |
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| MrPedantic wrote: |
But a simple pronominal "such" ("Do you crave such?") as the object of a verb is quite unusual. (Note that I didn't say "wrong" earlier: merely "distinctive".)
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I get that kind of feeling with "awry" and "I've been asked by X to call you". Nice to hear a bit of "distinctive" language now and again. |
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| #26 (permalink) Sun Jun 29, 2008 22:17 pm Craving respect |
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| I get that kind of feeling with "awry" |
Yes; though in an online context, the frequency of a phrase is sometimes more of an indicator than the phrase itself.
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| #27 (permalink) Sun Jun 29, 2008 22:52 pm Craving respect |
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| MrPedantic wrote: |
Yes; though in an online context, the frequency of a phrase is sometimes more of an indicator than the phrase itself.
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An indicator of? |
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