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Slips Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:34 pm  Slips		  
Molly wrote:
Here's another - this time from Polish speakers of English:
I understood the topic of this thread to be language transfer from second/foreign language to native language. Don't you have any examples of the phenomenon in question? The influence of Spanish on the English of a Brit living in Spain, for example?
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Common types of troll messages:

* off topic messages
* inflammatory messages
* messages containing an obvious flaw or error

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Slips Fri Jun 27, 2008 14:03 pm  Slips		  
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Common types of troll messages:

* off topic messages
* inflammatory messages
* messages containing an obvious flaw or error

Sounds like Mr P and Ralf, yes.

BTW, is an off-topic message about trolling an incident of trolling?
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Slips Fri Jun 27, 2008 14:06 pm  Slips		  
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The influence of Spanish on the English of a Brit living in Spain, for example?

I thought you were going to tell us about that? How long must we wait?
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Slips Fri Jun 27, 2008 14:07 pm  Slips		  
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I'd rather not play non-league football.

But playing with balls is your thing, isn't it? Laughing
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Slips Fri Jun 27, 2008 14:09 pm  Slips		  
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Your statement contains an obvious error.

Really? How so. Do tell.
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Slips Fri Jun 27, 2008 16:45 pm  Slips		  
Yankee wrote:
Molly wrote:
Here's another - this time from Polish speakers of English:
I understood the topic of this thread to be language transfer from second/foreign language to native language.
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Hm.

"Language transfer (also known as L1 interference, linguistic interference, and crossmeaning) refers to speakers or writers applying knowledge from their native language to a second language. It is most commonly discussed in the context of English language learning and teaching, but it can occur in any situation when someone does not have a native-level command of a language, as when translating into a second language."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_transfer
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Slips Fri Jun 27, 2008 18:00 pm  Slips		  
I see. So, you would have us believe that you didn't understand the words used in Ralf's original post -- not even in context and with examples. Amazing.

I guess you don't have any examples of Spanish creeping into an English native speaker's English. So, apparently you've either never witnessed this phenomenon first-hand or aren't aware of it when it happens. A shame, really.
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Slips Fri Jun 27, 2008 21:15 pm  Slips		  
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So, you would have us believe that you didn't understand the words used in Ralf's original post -- not even in context and with examples.

Ralf's definition was restrictive.

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I guess you don't have any examples of Spanish creeping into an English native speaker's English.

Conio, of course I do, Tia. Those creep into almost everyone's English here.

Here' another:

Spanish influence:

Can we change the hours for the class?

English: Can we change the dates of the class?

Spanish influence:

Did you eat yet?

English:

Have you eaten?

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Slips Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:58 am  Slips		  
Amy, do you still feel that Spanish crept in to my husband's Use of English re "if I have chance"? If so, can you identify the Spanish expression which did that?
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