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1/ Do we have to use verbs in subjunctive mood after "hope"?
(i.e: I hope that he like it/likes it/will like it) |
No, "I hope he likes it" would be the usual construction. Sometimes "I hope he will like it" is used.
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| 2/ subjunctive mood is required after "it is necessary that...", |
In AmE, the subjunctive is extremely commonly used in this sort of sentence. ("It is necessary that tech support be available 24/7.")
However the present simple is also used. ("It is necessary that tech support is available 24/7.")
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| but how about "it is unnecessary that..."? |
The same (as above) is true when you use 'not necessary' and 'unnecessary'.
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3/
"It is essential that she (not come) late.
=> How is the verbs in negative subjunctive? (not come/don't come/ doesn't come) |
The subjunctive form would be 'not come':
"It is essential that she not come late." |
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| #3 (permalink) Tue Jul 08, 2008 13:15 pm About the subjunctive mood |
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1/ Do we have to use verbs in subjunctive mood after "hope"?
(i.e: I hope that he like it/likes it/will like it) |
No, "I hope he likes it" would be the usual construction. Sometimes "I hope he will like it" is used.
I don't understand, Amy. A verb is in the subjunctive mood when it expresses a condition which is doubtful or not factual. (though actually I know (because I've seen a lot) that verbs after "hope" do not have to be used in subjunctive) I think when we hope for something, it's not necessarily true, is it? :roll: :roll:
If this is an exception, then is there any other exceptions
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| 2/ subjunctive mood is required after "it is necessary that...", |
In AmE, the subjunctive is extremely commonly used in this sort of sentence. ("It is necessary that tech support be available 24/7.")
However the present simple is also used. ("It is necessary that tech support is available 24/7.")
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| but how about "it is unnecessary that..."? |
The same (as above) is true when you use 'not necessary' and 'unnecessary'.
Can this rule be applied in both British English and American English, Amy?
Thank you very much.
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| #4 (permalink) Tue Jul 08, 2008 13:23 pm About the subjunctive mood |
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By the way, how about these, Amy:
Suppose she come, what would you do?
=> I have 2 questions:
1. Is the use of "would" here OK? or should it be "will"?
2. Id the speaker refers to something in the past, how will the verb "be" be? and how about the verb "woud/will"? Should they be kept intact?
Supposing she come/came yesterday, what would (or...?) you do?
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| #5 (permalink) Tue Jul 08, 2008 13:43 pm About the subjunctive mood |
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| Suppose she come, what would you do? |
I would not use "Suppose she come" at all.
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=> I have 2 questions:
1. Is the use of "would" here OK? or should it be "will"? |
Use the same sort of patterns as for IF-sentences Type 1 and 2 to refer to the future:
(1) "Suppose she comes. What will you do?"
(2) "Suppose she came. What would you do?"
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2. Id the speaker refers to something in the past, how will the verb "be" be? and how about the verb "woud/will"? Should they be kept intact?
Supposing she come/came yesterday, what would (or...?) you do? |
Follow the basic pattern of a 'Type 3' IF-sentence:
(3) "Suppose she had come yesterday. What would you have done?"
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| #6 (permalink) Tue Jul 08, 2008 13:53 pm About the subjunctive mood |
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Yankee,
what if I want to say:
"It's necessary that one makes the translation as soon as possible."
In this case, I don't want to address to a specific person. I only want to advise anyone who is able to read this sentence. Or should I write "It's necessary to make the translation as soon as possible."?
Which one would work well in English?
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| #8 (permalink) Tue Jul 08, 2008 14:32 pm About the subjunctive mood |
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| abraaocoutinho wrote: |
Yankee,
what if I want to say:
"It's necessary that one makes the translation as soon as possible."
In this case, I don't want to address to a specific person. I only want to advise anyone who is able to read this sentence. |
Hi Abraćo
I'd say 'do a translation' would be a more typical collocation than 'make a translation', and instead of using an active sentence with the word 'one', I'd prefer a passive construction using the subjunctive:
- "It's necessary that the translation be done as soon as possible."
The passive sentence above sounds natural to me, but the active form of this sentence (using 'one') sounds quite awkward.
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Or should I write "It's necessary to make the translation as soon as possible."?
Which one would work well in English? |
Of course, it is also possible to say the same thing using an infinitive:
- "It's necessary to do the translation as soon as possible."
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| #9 (permalink) Tue Jul 08, 2008 14:38 pm About the subjunctive mood |
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many thanks Yankee.
your help is too much useful to me.
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| #11 (permalink) Wed Jul 09, 2008 14:04 pm About the subjunctive mood |
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Thank you very much, Alan and Amy :)
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| #12 (permalink) Wed Jul 09, 2008 14:06 pm About the subjunctive mood |
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| #13 (permalink) Wed Jul 09, 2008 14:07 pm About the subjunctive mood |
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1/ Do we have to use verbs in subjunctive mood after "hope"?
(i.e: I hope that he like it/likes it/will like it)
No, "I hope he likes it" would be the usual construction. Sometimes "I hope he will like it" is used. |
I don't understand, Amy. A verb is in the subjunctive mood when it expresses a condition which is doubtful or not factual. (though actually I know (because I've seen a lot) that verbs after "hope" do not have to be used in subjunctive) I think when we hope for something, it's not necessarily true, is it?
If this is an exception, then is there any other exceptions
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2/ subjunctive mood is required after "it is necessary that...",
In AmE, the subjunctive is extremely commonly used in this sort of sentence. ("It is necessary that tech support be available 24/7.")
However the present simple is also used. ("It is necessary that tech support is available 24/7.")
nessie wrote:
but how about "it is unnecessary that..."?
The same (as above) is true when you use 'not necessary' and 'unnecessary'. |
Can this rule be applied in both British English and American English, Amy?
Thank you very much. |
Could you please answer these question for me, Amy :P - Thanks a lot :P:P
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| #14 (permalink) Wed Jul 09, 2008 17:57 pm About the subjunctive mood |
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Hi Nessie
The present subjunctive is not used terribly often, but it is apparently still used more often in AmE than in BE. I believe that in many cases where a Yank might use the present subjunctive, a Brit would use "should+verb". (Maybe a Brit will be able to clarify this British usage for you.)
It is probably easier to learn patterns and word partnerships (and a handful of idiomatic expressions) for using the present subjunctive rather than to try to learn so-called rules and exceptions -- such a list of "exceptions" might end up being hundreds of miles long. :lol: That's why I gave you the link to the other thread.
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