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"reduce sth to sth" vs "reduce sth by sth"



 
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"reduce sth to sth" vs "reduce sth by sth" #1 (permalink) Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:46 am   "reduce sth to sth" vs "reduce sth by sth"
 

Hi,

What's the difference between "reduce something (A) to something (B)" and "reduce something (A) by something (B)"?

I guess the former structure has the meaning that we reduce (A) so that the remain is (B), whereas the latter means the whole is (A), and we reduce part of it which is equal to (B). What do you think?

By the way, if my explanation is correct, then the two usages must be both applicable in this sentence, mustn't it:

In the last 10 years, Mexican government has reduced the number of its state-owned companies to/by about half. (of course, each usage has a different meaning)

Many thanks in advance.
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"reduce sth to sth" vs "reduce sth by sth" #2 (permalink) Fri Jul 11, 2008 22:15 pm   "reduce sth to sth" vs "reduce sth by sth"
 

"reduce something (A) to something (B)": reduce art to show;
"reduce something (A) by something (B)": reduce the water by a pump
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"reduce sth to sth" vs "reduce sth by sth" #3 (permalink) Sat Jul 12, 2008 16:50 pm   "reduce sth to sth" vs "reduce sth by sth"
 

Hi, can you explain?
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"reduce something (A) to something (B)": reduce art to show;
"reduce something (A) by something (B)": reduce the water by a pump

I agree that
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the former structure has the meaning that we reduce (A) so that the remain is (B)

but concerning by, I think that we subtract B from A. Or it's the same as what Nessie wrote? Smile
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"reduce sth to sth" vs "reduce sth by sth" #4 (permalink) Tue Jul 15, 2008 17:59 pm   "reduce sth to sth" vs "reduce sth by sth"
 

Try to see this better by using an example: You have 10 shirts and you want to reduce them TO 2. You will get rid of 8 of them, leaving 2.
If you have 10 shirts and want to reduce them BY 2, you will get rid of the 2, leaving 8.
In the example you give, either to or by will be correct as the example uses 1/2, and if you reduce by 1/2 you are left with 1/2. If you reduce to 1/2, you are still left with 1/2. If the example had used a different fraction, that would make a difference.
Another example: Let's say that you have 8 shirts and want to reduce them BY 1/4. 1/4 of 8 is 2, so you get rid of 2, leaving 6.
If you have 8 shirts and want to reduce them TO 1/4, that means you want to reduce them to 2, so you have to get rid of 6 to leave 2.
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"reduce sth to sth" vs "reduce sth by sth" #5 (permalink) Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:00 pm   "reduce sth to sth" vs "reduce sth by sth"
 

Oh, Math is your favourite subject? Smile
Though I always liked it at school, I didn't guess to give such good examples.
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"reduce sth to sth" vs "reduce sth by sth" #6 (permalink) Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:41 pm   "reduce sth to sth" vs "reduce sth by sth"
 

Thanks a lot, everybody Smile
(good to see that I got the point right Very Happy)
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