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What is in a job title. Sun Jul 13, 2008 15:47 pm  What is in a job title.
 

In todays world how you classify yourself is more and more important. But how careful are we with these job titles.

What is yours? And do you think it accurately describes your job?

Recently I came across two jobs that I thought were a bit strange. Both were used by global players.

Firstly from a French company, the guy worked in "Field service" in the business of machine technology.

And then a "depaneller" who worked for a communications company.

Without the context what would you think they do?

Do you think job titles are clear.

And how about the Business English conundrum of what this person does;

A domestic and hygiene manager?

How accurately can we define are jobs.

btw; I am a self employed, freelance language service provider, as well as a company partner in language services.

Even I find them vague, but to be more specific would re require an a business card ; )
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What is in a job title. Tue Jul 15, 2008 0:41 am  What is in a job title.
 

I'm now working as a corporate communication consultant, so they tell me.
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What is in a job title. Tue Jul 15, 2008 0:57 am  What is in a job title.
 

Molly wrote:
I'm now working as a corporate communication consultant, so they tell me.

Are you sure?

Molly wrote:
I am The Administrator

(I envisage something like Arnie, but with a more flexible use of prepositions.)

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What is in a job title. Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:26 am  What is in a job title.
 

Yes, MrP, I remember what I posted. In in-house language, I am an administrator, my husband is manager, our teachers are teachers, but to our clients we are all corporate communication consultants. Sounds good, sells more classes and training courses.

BTW, Mr P, what's your reply to the thread question?

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In todays world how you classify yourself is more and more important. But how careful are we with these job titles.

What is yours? And do you think it accurately describes your job?
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What is in a job title. Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:26 am  What is in a job title.
 

Hi Molly

What is your reply to this question? How do you interpret the two job titles I gave?
I am really interested how this is perceived. Is it a case of creative use of language and explanation of roles OR is the English not so clear and open to misunderstanding.

Is it the case in Spain that teachers are under a different tax bracket to consultants/trainers?
Here in Germany as a freelancer, stating you are a trainer gives you more freedom for job possibilities and financially.
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What is in a job title. Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:32 am  What is in a job title.
 

stew.t. wrote:
Hi Molly

What is your reply to this question? How do you interpret the two job titles I gave?
I am really interested how this is perceived. Is it a case of creative use of language and explanation of roles OR is the English not so clear and open to misunderstanding.

Without context, I wouldn't know what the jobs were.

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Is it the case in Spain that teachers are under a different tax bracket to consultants/trainers?

Not that I know of.
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What is in a job title. Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:59 am  What is in a job title.
 

Hi Molly

Well the lack of context is the point. Imagine you are in a pub and someone says they are a "depaneller". Or you find a business card and it has this title, you can not remember who gave it you and you rack your brains as to what they do.

What would be the first thought in your head, or what was your first thought when reading these?
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What is in a job title. Tue Jul 15, 2008 17:15 pm  What is in a job title.
 

Hi Stew

I did have to rack my brains to figure out what a 'depaneller' might be. What I finally managed to come up with is that this must be a person who removes panels (of some sort).

(My initial reaction was that it might be some sort of French word.) Laughing
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What is in a job title. Tue Jul 15, 2008 18:20 pm  What is in a job title.
 

What would be the first thought in your head, or what was your first thought when reading these?

My first though would be "Did she/he pay for dinner". Wink

My first thought here was "From what does she/he remove[/i]panells [i] , whatever they may be.
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What is in a job title. Tue Jul 15, 2008 23:51 pm  What is in a job title.
 

stew.t. wrote:
What would be the first thought in your head, or what was your first thought when reading these?

1. depaneller

Someone who does something unnecessary to your car, probably after an MOT, and charges you vast sums for the privilege.

2. Field service

Fixes photocopiers. Is usually on mobile; environed in aftershave only slightly less pungent than classic IT operative.

3. A domestic and hygiene manager

Au pair and obscur objet du désir in the Hampstead area.

(Close?)

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What is in a job title. Wed Jul 16, 2008 0:21 am  What is in a job title.
 

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Someone who does something unnecessary to your car, probably after an MOT, and charges you vast sums for the privilege.
Fixes photocopiers. Is usually on mobile; environed in aftershave only slightly less pungent than classic IT operative.
Au pair and obscur objet du désir in the Hampstead area.

Ah, the wit, the wit. Doesn't it just make you green with envy? Laughing
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What is in a job title. Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:06 am  What is in a job title.
 

hi

Thanks for your ideas.

I think you prove the point I made to the students that these come across as very much like in-house jargon.

A depaneller is a person in Siemens who cuts material ("Panels" strangely named) to size, for the various flat parts of office phones, apparently.

Someone in Field Service is someone who looks after the maintenance, and trouble shoots problems concerned with machines like compressors, turbines etc.

The former one I thought like Amy was a guy working in a garage who removes door panels etc.

The latter sounds a bit like someone in the military to me, fixes machines and weapons in the field i.e. during a battle.

As for domestic and hygiene manager, it is a Business English play on words, and is a house husband/wife.

cheers stew.t.
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What is in a job title. Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:47 am  What is in a job title.
 

So what's your suggestion here, Stew? Would you prefer we use non-in-house titles?
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What is in a job title. Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:27 am  What is in a job title.
 

Hi Molly

Would you suggest we use confusing job titles when communicating with anyone outside of the company?
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What is in a job title. Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:56 am  What is in a job title.
 

stew.t. wrote:
Hi Molly

Would you suggest we use confusing job titles when communicating with anyone outside of the company?

So we should have two titles, right? I'm from a time when people didn't expect to understand eveything immediately, from a group of people who would say "Oh really? Tell me more about it" to statements like "I'm a Teenage Pregnancy Implementation Manager". Wink
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