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One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book #1 (permalink) Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:55 am   One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book
 

Hi,

From your experience as English teachers, are there any books that attempt to have it all?

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One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book #2 (permalink) Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:09 am   One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book
 

oh, forgot to tell ya, would such an encyclopedic grammar book be accessible to, let's say, a post-advanced ESL level student?
How could you help me out in guiding me to a grammar resource that as much close as possible meets the aforementioned criterion?

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One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book #3 (permalink) Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:17 am   One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book
 

Hi Kilani,

You could try Raymond Murphy's grammar in use. I use it all the time. There's also a version for elementary students.
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One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book #4 (permalink) Sat Jul 19, 2008 13:42 pm   One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book
 

Hi

As Ralf said "Murphys" as we call it is a bible for teachers.

You could always take a look at this the very simply written Grammar no problem; www.ourbookstore.com/Products.html?prodid=12-0032&cid=23&CFID=68927&CFTOKEN=69962276&ctry=US
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One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book #5 (permalink) Sat Jul 19, 2008 15:41 pm   One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book
 

fa_kilani wrote:
oh, forgot to tell ya, would such an encyclopedic grammar book be accessible to, let's say, a post-advanced ESL level student?
How could you help me out in guiding me to a grammar resource that as much close as possible meets the aforementioned criterion?

thanks

Kilani

Hi Kilani
The "Grammar in Use" series from Cambridge consists of three levels: beginner, intermediate and advanced. The intermediate one (see Ralf's link) is probably one of the most widely used grammar books on the market. However, it does not address the more intricate points of grammar and usage that an advanced or "post-advanced" ESL student might want or need to know. And, although these books are very thorough and well done, I wouldn't call them "encyclopedic".
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One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book #6 (permalink) Sun Jul 20, 2008 23:27 pm   One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book
 

Thank you for the quick response.

I had Murphy's book, the elementary level, and I found it excellent, but have not got the chance to look at the higher levels yet.

There is a book by Ronald Carter and Michael McCarthy called, Cambridge Grammar of English: A comprehensive guide (Cambridge University Press, 2006). It has the thoroughness I am looking for, but I have not checked it. It looks great to me but there are some who are unhappy with.

Maybe I should stick with Murphy's for the time being

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One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book #7 (permalink) Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:40 am   One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book
 

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Carter & McCarthy is both comprehensive and current, but I personally find it very difficult to use. The section numbers are difficult to read on the right-hand pages (they are in a pale green) and impossible to read on the left (since they are buried near the spine of the book). The index can carry you to the far reaches of the large volume with a single term, so it is time-consuming to locate the aspect which interests you. Its table of contents is too general, so this is not much help either. This grammar book has spun off the massive Cambridge Grammar of the English Language (Huddleston & Pullum), which I find even more unfriendly of access.

Perhaps it is just my old prescriptivist bones, but I still prefer Longmans's Comprehensive Grammar of the English Language (Quirk, Greenbaum et al) for the fine and thorough points, and its spin-off, Leech & Svartvik's A Communicative Grammar of English for daily practicalities.

Or maybe I just need more practice with Carter & McCarthy.
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One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book #8 (permalink) Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:10 am   One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book
 

Thank you Mister Micawber for the great information.

1985 is about a quarter of a century far, but in grammar metrics the book is not outdated.

I would like to keep such a reference book in my bookshelf for any serious student of English language should have one especially if he has the outlook for teaching.

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One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book #9 (permalink) Mon Jul 21, 2008 18:43 pm   One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book
 

I wrote "1985 is about a quarter of a century far, but in grammar metrics the book is not outdated." Even though that is not pretty much time by language lifespan, it is a bit outdated if we consider the "breakthroughs" of corpus based studies. Spoken Grammar is the topic not considered in classical grammar books.

Throughout my study of English, I have been looking for treatment of daily English [grammar] but could found any, there might be but I could not. You would be capped if you study written English alone.

I have found "Longman Grammar of Spoken and Written English, by Douglas Biber, Stig Johansson, Geoffrey Leech, Susan Conrad, & Edward Finegan (1999)" by chance. It is both pedagogical* and up to date; it is scheduled for my reading.

Thanks again Micawber for spinning this off

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One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book #10 (permalink) Mon Jul 21, 2008 19:22 pm   One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book
 

Re: Spoken Grammar

Here is a short article about SG called "Ten criteria for a spoken grammar" by MC. I found it useful as a starting point.

There is this cool website for beginners, http://www.spokenenglish.org; just threw it in for bookmarking purposes.

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One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book #11 (permalink) Mon Jul 21, 2008 23:48 pm   One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book
 

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Your link doesn't work, Kilani-- I get a 404 error.
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One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book #12 (permalink) Mon Jul 21, 2008 23:50 pm   One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book
 

Here it is, MM:

http://www.spokenenglish.org/
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One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book #13 (permalink) Mon Jul 21, 2008 23:55 pm   One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book
 

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One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book #14 (permalink) Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:44 am   One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book
 

Thanks to all of you

Well, with your comments here and my little research on grammar books, I am about to get hold of the great [reference] books in grammar.

The following should be great books:
Oxford Learner's Grammar, by John Eastwood (Oxford University Press),
A Student's Grammar of the English Language, by Greenbaum and Quirk (Longman),
Collins Cobuild English Grammar (Collins).

Which one is the best, in terms of:
1- clarity in explanation
2- examples: number, quality, etc.
3- AmE or BrE?
4- Comprehensiveness
5- Written vs. Spoken & Written grammar
6- Use of collocations
7- Language usage
8- Book presentation i.e. good typesetting, etc.
9- audience: students, specialists (applies to collins')
10- feel free to break the list.

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One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book #15 (permalink) Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:57 am   One-Stop-Shop English Grammar book
 

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Sorry, but I am only familiar with #2. I like it, as a reduction of the bigger grammar. I don't recall much about collocations in it.

Generally, I have not liked the Cobuild efforts that I have looked through. Their Dictionary of the English Language sits gathering dust yet in easy reach of both myself and my students.

I hope others can give you more opinions.
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