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Molly
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| Some questions don't have answers, do they? |
Indeed not. In many cases, the best we can do is ask why a certain speaker is using a certain form in a certain situation. And the conclusion of such investigations will probably be "I can/can't see why X uses that item in that way" or, for some "X should not use that item in that way".
With examples such as "send an email across/over/through/by/via the Internet", one has to ask just how each speaker perceives the Internet.
Another example of "speaker's perception": "see you in Stockholm" and "see you at Stockholm". There one also has to ask just how each, or the same, speaker perceives Stockholm at a certain moment. |
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| #49 (permalink) Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:42 am across vs over |
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What do you feel about the use of "up" here?
Mother: Stop messing about. Eat you dinner up, right now!
Mother: Stop messing about. Eat you dinner up, right now! |
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| #50 (permalink) Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:25 am across vs over |
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Eat your dinner up - finish (eating) your dinner.
Eat your dinner - just eat it
That's how I see it. |
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| #51 (permalink) Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:44 am across vs over |
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Eat your dinner up - finish (eating) your dinner.
Eat your dinner - just eat it
That's how I see it. |
Yes, the particle is often used for emphasis or to express an end/totality to something. Maybe it's the same with "send the email to me" and "send it across/over" to me. |
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| #52 (permalink) Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:57 am across vs over |
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| In many cases, the best we can do is ask why a certain speaker is using a certain form in a certain situation |
I agree with you, Molly.
But when you are a student doing some technical courses where you have to imagine a lot of things and conjure up images in your mind, I think it's imperative that you use the right word (over/across etc).
Say, you've read a lot about a technical concept and you think it should be 'over ABC' ; and one fine day a professor, in a seminar, says it's 'across ABC' then it's likely that you have got the concept wrong because the way you've visualized it is different from the one the professor has, assuming he/she is right.
PS: As usual, there are exceptions to every theory including mine :-)
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| #53 (permalink) Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:17 am across vs over |
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| But when you are a student doing some technical courses where you have to imagine a lot of things and conjure up images in your mind, I think it's imperative that you use the right word (over/across etc). |
Is there a "right" word here?
send across/over the Internet
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| assuming he/she is right. |
It's a big assumption. |
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| #55 (permalink) Tue Jul 22, 2008 22:39 pm across vs over |
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| Yes, the particle is often used for emphasis or to express and end/totality to something. |
Cf. this thread, where a similar interesting thought may be found:
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The use of "up" (particle), in many phrasal verbs, expresses intensity, perfectivity (completion) and/or result.
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| #56 (permalink) Tue Jul 22, 2008 22:49 pm across vs over |
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| ?MrP drank up his wine a bit. |
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| #57 (permalink) Tue Jul 22, 2008 22:50 pm across vs over |
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| Cf. this thread, where a similar interesting thought may be found: |
Is it a new thought for you, MrP? Do you disagree with those thoughts? |
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| #58 (permalink) Tue Jul 22, 2008 23:03 pm across vs over |
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| Molly wrote: |
| ?MrP drank up his wine a bit. |
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| Cf. this thread, where a similar interesting thought may be found: |
Is it a new thought for you, MrP? Do you disagree with those thoughts? |
What's the problem, old thing?
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| #59 (permalink) Tue Jul 22, 2008 23:10 pm across vs over |
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| What's the problem, old thing? |
No problem here. How did you "come upon" that particular thread though? After all, it is 3 years old.
And also, there are thousands of references to perfectivity and particles all over the Internet. Interesting that you should "remember" that particular thread and post. Did it impress you so much?
And this was my question to you:
Do you disagree with those thoughts? |
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| #60 (permalink) Tue Jul 22, 2008 23:33 pm across vs over |
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| Molly wrote: |
How did you "come upon" that particular thread though? After all, it is 3 years old.
And also, there are thousands of references to perfectivity and particles all over the Internet. Interesting that you should "remember" that particular thread and post. Did it impress you so much?
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You are being very mysterious, M.
Is there something significant about that thread and post?
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