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| Thu Jul 24, 2008 0:20 am Ulysses (James Joyce) - A literary discussion |
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| Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:50 am Ulysses (James Joyce) - A literary discussion |
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| Wow! Quite expensive! Ralf is right. My first reading Ulysses made me lose quite a certain amount of both cholesterol and weight. Sounds like a topic for fitness! |
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| Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:31 pm Ulysses (James Joyce) - A literary discussion |
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Hello Everyone,
I have another trifle needed your light sheding on:
| Quote: | DR MADDEN
Hypsospadia is also marked. In the interest of coming generations I suggest that the parts affected should be preserved in spirits of wine in the national teratological museum. |
I guess it's another Joycean word and somewhere around genitourinary abnormality in meaning from the context but haven't the faintest idea how it was coined.
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| Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:45 pm Ulysses (James Joyce) - A literary discussion |
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hypospadias
It looks like a typo-- if Joyce was ever guilty of them. Dr Madden is pontificating; perhaps it's Joyce's way of deflating him a bit.
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| Fri Jul 25, 2008 0:22 am Ulysses (James Joyce) - A literary discussion |
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It is an odd one. "Hypso-" would suggest "highly placed"; "spad-" could have a number of connotations, such as "being drawn out", "flaccidity", "castration".
There is an 1854 treatise on the condition ("De virilum conformatione morbosa tumoris caussa, quae hypsospadia postgenita appellari posset"), according to one bookseller's website; but the text doesn't appear to be available.
It wouldn't surprise me if Joyce simply meant to imply "the condition of having an erection".
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| Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:52 am Ulysses (James Joyce) - A literary discussion |
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| Splendidly Joycean again! One word, limitless possibilities... Thank you, MM and MP! |
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| Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:00 am Ulysses (James Joyce) - A literary discussion |
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| Quote: | REUBEN J
(Whispers hoarsely.) The squeak is out. A split is gone for the flatties. Nip the first rattler. |
1. Should I reword the sentence as:
The betrayal (tell-on) is done. A delator has informed the police. Grab the first carriage.
| Quote: | BLOOM
(In caubeen with clay pipe stuck in the band, dusty brogues, an emigrant's red handkerchief bundle in his hand, leading a black bogoak pig by a sugaun, with a smile in his eye.) Let me be going now, woman of the house, for by all the goats in Connemara I'm after having the father and mother of a bating.
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2. Is caubeen a hat? Is it Irish? Maybe it appeared before.
3. Is bogoak = an oak in bog? If so does it refer to the colour?
4. Sugaun is beyond me. Is it a rope in Irish?
5. Could I reword it as: I've just had a beating-up from my parents? If so, bating = batting?
| Quote: | ZOE
And more's mother? |
6. I guess it suggests Zoe is beginning to act like Bloom's mother. Does it mean "How about a little more of mother's role to you?
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| Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:08 am Ulysses (James Joyce) - A literary discussion |
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Hello Haihao,
Some tricky ones there:
| Quote: | REUBEN J
(Whispers hoarsely.) The squeak is out. A split is gone for the flatties. Nip the first rattler. |
1. I think that's it; someone has grassed; an informer has gone for the police; take the first ?hackney carriage.
| Quote: | BLOOM
(In caubeen with clay pipe stuck in the band, dusty brogues, an emigrant's red handkerchief bundle in his hand, leading a black bogoak pig by a sugaun, with a smile in his eye.) Let me be going now, woman of the house, for by all the goats in Connemara I'm after having the father and mother of a bating.
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2. Yes, an Irish hat: from cába, cap, + diminutive -een.
3. Yes, bogoak = oak preserved in peat-bogs, which is very black.
4. Yes, "súgán", a rope of straw.
5. "I have just had the worst beating in the world". "I'm after doing X" is an Irish English idiom, with a sense of the present perfect, based on a Gaelic structure; you often encounter it in the plays of Synge and Yeats. "The mother and father of all Xs" is still used; cf. Saddam's "the mother of all battles".
| Quote: | ZOE
And more's mother? |
6. This seems to be a set phrase; though I'm not familiar with it. The context suggests that it means "And just saying more means I have to behave like a mother and give you more?"; but that's only a very tentative guess!
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