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Hello MrP,
Thank you again for your comment and I am very pleased too to have the opportunity to talk and ask questions with you about Ulysses, the most favorite book of mine. Actually I haven't had a chance to read Nabokov's essay but I have the web resources and Derek Attridge's "The Cambridge Companion to James Joyce".
In fact I still have had a lot of unsolved questions left on the shelf on Ulysses but I feel now that maybe the mazel has come to me at last to let me consult a professional like you to make a thorough bottleneck removal if I may have the honor.
Haihao
PS: I have found this site quite interesting: http://www.joyceimages.com/chapter/1/ Just for your information. |
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| Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:54 pm Usage of "supply" |
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It would be my pleasure to help if I can. When it's convenient for you, please feel free to post them to this thread or elsewhere – whichever you prefer.
(Though I should say at once that I don't have knowledge of Ulysses in a professional capacity; only as an amateur dabbler.)
Thank you very much for the link – I'll be interested to see what they say.
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| Sat Jun 07, 2008 13:00 pm Usage of "supply" |
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Thanks again for your geniality and generosity. I would definitely like to have your help from now on and enjoy the wonderful book once more.
Best regards,
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| Sat Jun 07, 2008 13:19 pm Usage of "supply" |
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Sorry for the hurry but just curious why "Twice nought makes one"? (=zero by zero makes one) in:
Chaps that would go to the dogs if some woman didn't take them in hand. Then little chits of girls, height of a shilling in coppers, with little hubbies. As God made them He matched them. Sometimes children turn out well enough. Twice nought makes one. Or old rich chap of seventy and blushing bride. Marry in May and repent in December. (XIII)
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| Sat Jun 07, 2008 14:05 pm Usage of "supply" |
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That's an interesting one. I take it to imply that the "chit of a girl" and the "little hubby" in each case are the two zeroes (of no worth), and the child who turns out "well enough" the unexpected "one"; contrary to mathematics, but perhaps in accordance with genetics.
I also wonder whether it's an allusion to William Carleton's story of the "hedge school", in his "Irish peasantry", where an ignorant schoolboy says that "twice nought is one": e-copy here.
(I haven't seen that story before today, though, so it's only speculation!)
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| Sat Jun 07, 2008 23:02 pm Usage of "supply" |
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I would like to say, reading your comment is another enjoyment of its relish! You make the Ulysses world more active and expansive to me, MrP. I also like your comment "contrary to mathematics, but perhaps in accordance with genetics" and I have always told myself that literature or language isn't math. Mathematics has only one correct answer but literature is infinite and eternal, like Declan Kiberd says that Ulysses is "an endlessly open book of utopian epiphanies..., it also offers redemptive glimpses of a future world which might be made over in terms of those utopian moments.'
Sorry for the wander and supererogation and thank you again!
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| Sun Jun 08, 2008 0:55 am Usage of "supply" |
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You're welcome!
| Haihao wrote: | | an endlessly open book |
That's a very happy phrase.
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| Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:20 am Usage of "supply" |
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Good morning!
Would you mind if I bring along another question to wake you up?  Sorry to bother you on the Sunday morning but would you see the following sentence could be a paronomasia?
| Quote: | | "Mr Bloom watched her as she limped away. Poor girl! That's why she's left on the shelf and the others did a sprint." (XIII) |
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| Quote: | | Howth settled for slumber, tired of long days, of yumyum rhododendrons (he was old) and felt gladly the night breeze lift, ruffle his fell of ferns. He lay but opened a red eye unsleeping, deep and slowly breathing, slumberous but awake. And far on Kish bank the anchored lightship twinkled, winked at Mr Bloom. |
Could I reword it as:
Howth settled for slumber, for it had been tired of long days and of yumyum rhododendrons (it was old), and felt gladly the night breeze rise and ruffle its fell of ferns. Mr Bloom lay but opened a red eye unsleeping, deep and slowly breathing, slumberous but awake. And far on Kish bank the anchored lightship twinkled, winked at Mr Bloom.
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| Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:25 pm Usage of "supply" |
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Hello Haihao, good morning!
Yes, I think that is indeed a pun on "on the shelf". (There is also a metaphorical "on the rocks" earlier, to match the literal rocks.)
The other reference is more complex – I'll read around it in my copy, and post back later.
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| Sun Jun 08, 2008 22:58 pm Usage of "supply" |
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Hi MrP,
Thanks again!
BTW I wonder with what he covered the bowl as in:
| Quote: | | Buck Mulligan peeped an instant under the mirror and then covered the bowl smartly. |
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| Sun Jun 08, 2008 23:55 pm Usage of "supply" |
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Hello again Haihao,
I would (tentatively) reword it as:
| Quote: | | Howth settled for slumber, [for it was] tired of long days, of yumyum ["yumyum" because lovers go there, incl. Bloom and Molly - cf. earlier "Yumyum"] rhododendrons (he [Howth] was old) and felt gladly the night breeze lift, ruffle [both "rise, and ruffle" and "lift up and ruffle"] his [its] fell of ferns. He [Howth] lay but opened a red eye [the lighthouse?] unsleeping, deep and slowly breathing, slumberous but awake. And far on Kish bank the anchored lightship twinkled, winked at Mr Bloom. |
(But very tentatively – I may have missed an allusion here and there!)
I would have said that Buck covers the bowl of lather with the mirror, since he looks under it. But that does make the "crossed" problematical.
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| Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:15 am Usage of "supply" |
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Good morning again MrP,
Your tentative rewording of the part and your paraphrasing for the 'cover' activity are both more than satisfying and convincing to me! I am sure I will ponder on them for a while for an enjoyable mastication.
Thank you again.
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| Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:32 am Usage of "supply" |
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Is it possible there is a pun (enantiosis?) on "He folded his razor neatly and with stroking palps of fingers felt the smooth skin (around his mouth)"? Maybe just my unnecessary association.
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| Quote: | | He swept the mirror a half circle in the air to flash the tidings abroad in sunlight now radiant on the sea. His curling shaven lips laughed and the edges of his white glittering teeth. Laughter seized all his strong wellknit trunk. |
1. Is it another pun on the 1st underlined?
2. Does the 2nd mean "his white glittering teeth" appeared or laughed too?
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| Mon Jun 09, 2008 23:57 pm Usage of "supply" |
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| Haihao wrote: | Is it possible there is a pun (enantiosis?) on "He folded his razor neatly and with stroking palps of fingers felt the smooth skin (around his mouth)"?
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Your observation interests me very much. "Palps" always makes me think of insect mouthparts, in that passage, though I doubt whether that was Joyce's intention; but did you have some other meaning in mind?
| Haihao wrote: | | Quote: | | He swept the mirror a half circle in the air to flash the tidings abroad in sunlight now radiant on the sea. His curling shaven lips laughed and the edges of his white glittering teeth. Laughter seized all his strong wellknit trunk. |
1. Is it another pun on the 1st underlined?
2. Does the 2nd mean "his white glittering teeth" appeared or laughed too? |
I wonder myself whether the sweeping of the mirror is another allusion to the celebration of the Mass (perhaps to the lifting of the paten). "The tidings" recalls "the Gospel" (= "the good news").
In the second underlined part, I would say "both interpretations" – the showing of the white teeth is part of the laughing. (In those last two sentences, there may well be a Homeric reference; though I can't place it!)
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