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Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye! #16 (permalink) Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:24 am   Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye!
 

Jan wrote:
Justice for Georgia.Putin is acting same way as Hitler at the beginning , if you encourage him by lack of action you would have war everywhere.

Jan


Hi, Jan

Putin is not in office as president anymore, so there's no world threat from him. Your immediate "enemy" is Medvedev, who is an incumbent president at the moment.
As I see you guys are very up on russian history ;)
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Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye! #17 (permalink) Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:39 am   Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye!
 

Putin with his KGB team is main Russian political acting force Mr M .. something current President of Russia is puppet in his hands.I don't expect anybody to be expert but same idiotic questions answers were when Poland was pushing Russians out of Poland and experts from worldwide were giving brilliant helpful notices.
Georgia is now under massive attack , country in Europe is attacked by neighbor with all
bad what war could only bring, people like me and you are dying now only because KGB
wishes or wants to have things settle down their way in one of Europe's countries.
Georgia could be not strong enough to defend itself they need our help!!!!!!!!!!

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Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye! #18 (permalink) Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:43 am   Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye!
 

Jan
I have Russian blood in my veins too,but anyway -Till Russia exists,there will be no peace!!!
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Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye! #19 (permalink) Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:01 pm   Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye!
 

The Georgian/Russian conflict follows a certain pattern that you can see with many other conflicts too. Groups of people always have different interests and ideas and civilized nations usually negotiate and find peaceful solutions. Other nations use different approaches, they first shoot at each other killing some people so they get more attention. Once the fighting is over, they calm down a bit and start thinking how they can clean up the mess together. This might last for a while until the blood boils again and they go for another round of military action. This pattern is as old as mankind.

As far as I understand this particular conflict started because parts of the population in South Ossetia have wanted to be independent from Georgia. Apparently, the Georgians don't want to let the Ossetians go and so they have been fighting with each other. Russia has been supporting the Ossetians for a number of reasons much to the distress of the Georgians. In this type of multi-ethnic conflict it is often difficult even for the parties involved to understand what exactly is happening. The situation can be very complex although the basic principles of communication are rather simple.

There are large parts of the former Soviet Union where the people have not yet been able to select political leaders who are willing and able to negotiate their voters' interests in a civilized way.

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Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye! #20 (permalink) Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:23 pm   Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye!
 

The situation is really very complex,but historically this land is a part of Georgia and the majority of South Osetia were ethnic Georgians,but they were forsed by Russians, to left their houses,because they were Georgians and many of them killed...
Only Osetians left there and Russians gave them citizenship,to have the reason,do not let Georgia controll this land back...
so I think When We say,that population of South OSetia doesn't want to be part of Georgia,We Should ask ethnic Georgians,who lived there too...
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Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye! #21 (permalink) Tue Aug 12, 2008 13:21 pm   Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye!
 

Hi lads,

Maybe we can find a way to get away from these 'this land is our land, this land is not your land' rhetorics.

There's quite an interesting article on the bbc site.
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Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye! #22 (permalink) Tue Aug 12, 2008 13:44 pm   Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye!
 

Hi Ralf,

In case you haven't noticed, I'm a lass.;)

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Even if a large group of people over in South Ossetia are pro-Russian I don't see the logic in Russian launching a war with Georgia just because Georgia sent military tanks to South Ossetia, its own territory.

I think I can relate, the Philippines has always claims Sabah from Malaysia, if one day our government decided to send military tanks to Sabah, I hope the government of the Philippines will not follow the Russian step.
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Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye! #23 (permalink) Tue Aug 12, 2008 15:40 pm   Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye!
 

For clarification, in which country is the disputed region (South Ossetia?) located?

IE, is Russia trying to take hold of a Georgian region, or is Georgia trying to take hold of a Russian region?

And which nation do the South Ossetians want to join (or remain with, if that's the case)?
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Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye! #24 (permalink) Tue Aug 12, 2008 15:48 pm   Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye!
 

South Ossetia is part of Georgia and Georgia is trying to take hold of it. Georgia is not trying to take hold of a Russian region.

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Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye! #25 (permalink) Tue Aug 12, 2008 15:53 pm   Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye!
 

prezbucky wrote:
IE, is Russia trying to take hold of a Georgian region, or is Georgia trying to take hold of a Russian region?


Neither of those. I suppose that South Ossetia abuts on Georgia, and this Ossetia wants to have a goverment of its own (e.g. now it is a subject of Geogia), but Georgians say "no way, we ain gonna let you live as you want, we'd rather wipe you off the face of the earth", and move their tanks there, and start killing lay people (I'm not just saying that, there are vids, pictures of "innocent" Georgians killing people of South Ossetia). Then russians step in and say "Georgians, we ain gonna let you wipe out innocent South Ossetians", and start massacring Georgians all the same. Georgians don't like the taste of their own medicine and start whinning, like "Russians are bad, they are killing us, righteous people". (I have only one question to Georgians: what the f**k were you thinking when you invaded Ossetia, didn't expect that it might backfire on you, heh?, well, then it served you right :evil:)

So, you see, it is a bona-fide case of six of one and half a dosen of the other. Georgians are as guilty of the slaying as Russians are. Only Georgians started it first and now are reaping what they have sawn. A poetic justice, so to say.

And Mr. Chegevara, before starting throwing mud at Russians, should've found out more about the situation first, because, as I see, he managed to mislead most of you

PS: I apologise for my language here, but emotions are overwhelming me, when I see you fall for whatever fibs Chegevara is telling here hook line and sinker.
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Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye! #26 (permalink) Tue Aug 12, 2008 15:57 pm   Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye!
 

well it sounds like Medvedev is calling off the dogs

...but has anything been solved?
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Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye! #27 (permalink) Tue Aug 12, 2008 16:23 pm   Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye!
 

lost_soul wrote:
Georgians don't like the taste of their own medicine and start whinning, like "Russians are bad, they are killing us, righteous people". (I have only one question to Georgians: what the f**k were you thinking when you invaded Ossetia, didn't expect that it might backfire on you, heh?, well, then it served you right :evil:)


Hi Alex,

So are you saying that the fact that Georgia used military force against one of its regions gave Russia the right to invade a sovereign country? In other words, are you sure that "the Georgians" are the only ones to blame for this conflict?

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Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye! #28 (permalink) Tue Aug 12, 2008 16:29 pm   Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye!
 

Were the Georgians as bad to the South Ossetians as Saddam was to the Kurds?
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Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye! #29 (permalink) Tue Aug 12, 2008 16:31 pm   Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye!
 

Hi Tom,

How do you measure and quantify "bad"?

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Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye! #30 (permalink) Tue Aug 12, 2008 16:41 pm   Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye!
 

Torsten wrote:
So are you saying that the fact that Georgia used military force against one of its regions gave Russia the right to invade a sovereign country? In other words, are you sure that "the Georgians" are the only ones to blame for this conflict?


No, I'm not saying that, I said that it is the case of six of one and half of dozen of the other, the russians are guilty of slaying of lay people as much as the georgians are. Only the Georgians started the whole mess. Their president Saakashvilli (I don't know the right spelling, sorry) should've been more sensible. Though it is no secret that he is a puppet of Americans, and maybe he hoped that russian peacemakers woudn't dare to cut him down to size. Well, as history has it, he was wrong.
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