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 #76 (permalink) Mon Aug 18, 2008 22:50 pm Georgian/Russian/South Ossetian Crisis |
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| Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements |
Yeah, I never understood how one could declare a whole military opposition guilty of guerilla warfare after invading their territory. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the Taliban are much better than the Nazis, but even SS soldiers were treated more humanely. |
I wouldn't say so. Sure, you used to meet a lot of former POWs in Germany that were quick with a "God bless America" over the treatment they received in the States, but I have also heard some pretty bad stories from old Nazi vets who didn't like what happened to them in American hands after the war.
And the prisoners in Guantanamo aren't treated that badly. They're dealt with more or less the way people are in American prisons, which is pretty good.
Read this. It's no more biased than the reports you would get from the BBC or CNN.
heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed102506b.cfm
By the way, I don't think sleep deprivation, verbal taunting by female soldiers or heavy metal music meet the standard of "torture". I mean, sheesh! College students subject THEMSELVES to that!
Also, a lot of the reports of abuse of prisoners have turned out to be canards, including that story about Korans being "flushed down the toilet", which enraged Muslims all over the world and caused them to murder other Muslims. After the major media propagate enough bogus reports of prisoner abuse, I become skeptical about all of it, especially considering my personal experience with Middle Eastern Muslims and how frequently and brazenly they lie. |
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| #77 (permalink) Mon Aug 18, 2008 22:56 pm Georgian/Russian/South Ossetian Crisis |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| By the way, I don't think sleep deprivation, verbal taunting by female soldiers or heavy metal music meet the standard of "torture". I mean, sheesh! College students subject THEMSELVES to that! |
But they do so on their own free will after having been lead astray by cultural socialisation :lol:
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| #78 (permalink) Mon Aug 18, 2008 22:58 pm Georgian/Russian/South Ossetian Crisis |
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| Ralf wrote: |
| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| By the way, I don't think sleep deprivation, verbal taunting by female soldiers or heavy metal music meet the standard of "torture". I mean, sheesh! College students subject THEMSELVES to that! |
But they do so on their own free will after having been lead astray by cultural socialisation :lol: |
And many of the people who do it to themselves call it torture when it's done to other people. :D |
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| #80 (permalink) Mon Aug 18, 2008 23:41 pm Georgian/Russian/South Ossetian Crisis |
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Wall Street Journal
August 18, 2008 -- 5:24 p.m. EDT
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A Dangerous Game
The Georgian crisis continued Monday, as Russian forces maintained a heavy hand after their incursion and NATO allies prepared to craft a response to Moscow's actions.
Despite Russia's vow to withdraw its forces from Georgia, implementing a French-brokered cease-fire, there was little evidence of such a pullback and some Russian units thrust even deeper into Georgian territory. Reporters Yaroslav Trofimov and Guy Chazan write that Russia's military moves in Georgia, a former Soviet republic and a staunch U.S. ally, raised fresh doubts as to whether Moscow intends to abide by the cease-fire agreement that ended a short but intense war over the breakaway republic of South Ossetia last week. Russian forces have since fanned throughout Georgia proper, destroying infrastructure in the Black Sea port city of Poti and coming within 30 kilometers of the capital, Tbilisi. A Russian government spokesman in Vladikavkaz said the first small columns of military personnel had begun to withdraw on Sunday. He said the main withdrawal would start on Tuesday. "It takes a long time to pack up a tank," he said. However, a trip from Vladikavkaz in Russia through South Ossetia to the Georgian town of Gori and back by a correspondent for The Wall Street Journal turned up few signs that Russian troops were withdrawing. The cease-fire agreement, negotiated by French president Nicolas Sarkozy and signed by both sides in the conflict, requires Russian forces to withdraw from Georgia proper, but allows them to maintain a peacekeeping presence in the pro-Russian breakaway enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and to patrol a security zone along the enclaves' borders pending the arrival of European observers. Plans to dispatch these observers hit a new snag on Monday because Russia indicated it is "not inclined to accept" the mission, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said. Arriving in Brussels ahead of a NATO meeting, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Russia is playing a "very dangerous game'' with the U.S. and its allies and warned that NATO would not allow Moscow to win in Georgia, destabilize Europe or draw a new Iron Curtain through it. |
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| #81 (permalink) Fri Aug 22, 2008 13:26 pm Georgian/Russian/South Ossetian Crisis |
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The interesting thing about conflicts like the Georgian/Russian one is that the international community pays attention to them only for a few days. I remember when we discussed the Kosovo conflict a couple of months ago. Back then the mass media were reporting about the Kosovo every day and the country got some attention. Now nobody seems to even remember that conflict and the same will happen to Georgia in a few days. Or has it happened already?
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| #82 (permalink) Fri Aug 22, 2008 13:35 pm Georgian/Russian/South Ossetian Crisis |
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There was a front page story about the Georgian/Russian/Ossetian conflict in our local newspaper yesterday -- along with a picture of Russian soldiers and their blindfolded Georgian prisoners.
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| #83 (permalink) Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:56 am Russian Agressors, leave my Country, or You all gone dye! |
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Yesterday We exploded 40 tanks and 10 military plains and this land is full of dead Russians,they're everywhere...
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It's a blatant lie! |
Ask him -
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P.S South OSetia and Abxazia is part of Georgia,We're going to take control back anyway!!!
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