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#2 (permalink) Wed Aug 13, 2008 22:15 pm Mocking Saakashvili? |
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I couldn't understand what is this topic about... Sorry,My English is getting worst,I haven't spoken and read in English for long time :) _________________ Bombing for peace is like f.. for virginity |
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Che Gevara I'm here quite often ;-)

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#3 (permalink) Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:41 am Mocking Saakashvili? |
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Hi Torsten
I haven't heard any of the CNN people attempt the pronunciation of Saakashvili's name, but if they're all pronouncing it incorrectly, I'd say they're simply having trouble with the pronunciation of a foreign name, not mocking him. Heck, when I was in Germany, there was an endless parade of Germans who mispronounced my first name -- and my first name only has two syllables. :lol:
At any rate, maybe you should send CNN an e-mail with this link: http://names.voa.gov/DailyAction.cfm The CNN people could then listen to the pronunciation of Mikheil Saakashvili's full name, and maybe then at least some of them will start getting it right -- or at least almost right. ;)
By the way, the local TV news people in my area seem to be side-stepping this pronunciation problem completely. Rather than risk mangling the pronunciation, they seem to intentionally avoid referring to Saakashvili by name, and instead refer to him almost exclusively only as "the president of Georgia". . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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Yankee I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#4 (permalink) Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:53 am Mocking Saakashvili? |
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| I bet Senator Obama can pronounce his name correctly. On CNN not so long ago, they compared this two candidates on how they pronounce Pakistan and Iraq. Obama gets it right, and many linguists level him as an international guy. On the other hand, some American said, that is just not how American pronounce it. |
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NinaZara I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#5 (permalink) Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:09 am Mocking Saakashvili? |
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I just remembered something else: Hardly any German newscasters pronounce "Washington" correctly. :lol: . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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Yankee I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#6 (permalink) Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:08 am Mocking Saakashvili? |
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Hi Amy
What about "Worcester sauce", Dresdener art of course.:D Even to the length of calling it "Wochestersha saucer".
I get into this pronunciation argument with my girlfriend all the time.
I take on board Brits saying Schumacherīs first name wrong. But even Steven Gerrard (Liverpool player) in commentary was pronounced "Gehard". And the amount of times people call and write me as a Steward not with a "t" gets on my wick, I ainīt no flight assistant or security at a sports game.
Anyway smarts of "glass houses". Granted the German language is more phonetic, but doesnīt mean we or they get the pronunciation right 24/7, innit. _________________ Please meet Stewart Tunncilff |
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Stew.t. I'm here quite often ;-)

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#7 (permalink) Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:17 am Mocking Saakashvili? |
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Hi Stew,
Do you see a difference between a news anchors and "average people" when it comes to pronounce foreign names?
TOEIC listening, question-response: Did you catch that reporter's first name? |
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Torsten Learning Coach

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#8 (permalink) Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:24 am Mocking Saakashvili? |
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Hi Torsten
When it comes to pronouncing foreign names, in what way? From a perspective or quality or accuracy.
I see that a presenter is in a role where they should have good pronunciation, for your "average joe" maybe not as important. _________________ Please meet Stewart Tunncilff |
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Stew.t. I'm here quite often ;-)

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#9 (permalink) Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:45 am Mocking Saakashvili? |
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That's my point, exactly Stew. Pronouncing Saakashvili as Sashkavilli isn't very professional for a news caster. I'm not talking about accents or even pronunciation but changing entire syllables to the point where the name can hardly be recognized. If the public hears the name "Sashkavilli" serveral times per day on TV and radio, they of course pick it up and hence Georgia has a new president.
TOEIC listening, question-response: Would you like to take a break? |
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Torsten Learning Coach

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#10 (permalink) Thu Aug 14, 2008 13:57 pm Mocking Saakashvili? |
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I agree that especially newscasters should try to pronounce names as accurately as possible. But I'm sure you know as well as I do, Torsten, that some words (and names) are more prone to mispronunciation than others. I'm sure you must have seen that in your English courses.
I suspect that most of the newscasters at CNN who are currently mangling the pronunciation of Saakashvili's name will eventually improve. . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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Yankee I'm a Communicator ;-)

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Ralf Language Coach

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#12 (permalink) Thu Aug 14, 2008 15:19 pm Mocking Saakashvili? |
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Bray-hay-nee?
By the way, I think the three of you (You, Torsten and Stew) have very difficult-to-pronounce surnames (Stew's the most impossible for me, I just gave up!) Maybe it's because I never heard anybody pronounce them before. |
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NinaZara I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#13 (permalink) Thu Aug 14, 2008 15:26 pm Mocking Saakashvili? |
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| Ralf wrote: |
| A penny for your thoughts - can anyone describe/transcribe the name 'Breheny' ... |
Hi, Ralf
Ever since I saw your biography on this site, I've been wondering how you pronounce it. I'm totally up the creek, have no idea as to its transcription :? |
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Lost_Soul I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#14 (permalink) Thu Aug 14, 2008 15:30 pm Mocking Saakashvili? |
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Hi Nina,
| NinaZara wrote: |
| Bray-hay-nee? |
And I bet you'd stress the second syllable as well! Pagan!
Fortunately 'Breheny' is only my stage name for english-test.net, so I don't get to here it that often. My mum doesn't mind me borrowing it :D
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By the way, I think the three of you (You, Torsten and Stew) have very difficult-to-pronounce surnames (Stew's the most impossible for me, I just gave up!) Maybe it's because I never heard anybody pronounce them before. |
Stew's is easy, just think of 'Tommy Cliff' and swap the 'm's for 'n's. And all Torsten's name needs is a phat 'r' in the end. Dare! _________________ Test of English as a Foreign Language TOEFL Preparation & TOEFL Vocabulary Learn more: How to Become an English Teacher |
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Ralf Language Coach

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#15 (permalink) Thu Aug 14, 2008 15:34 pm Mocking Saakashvili? |
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| lost_soul wrote: |
| Ever since I saw your biography on this site, I've been wondering how you pronounce it. I'm totally up the creek, have no idea as to its transcription :? |
Hi Alex,
It sounds like ['brɛhenɪ], if that helps :). _________________ Test of English as a Foreign Language TOEFL Preparation & TOEFL Vocabulary Learn more: How to Become an English Teacher |
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Ralf Language Coach

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