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#2 (permalink) Mon Mar 28, 2005 17:15 pm To start with |
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The speaker is looking at a list of programmes on television and says: In the beginning/at first or to start with we can see a comedy programme. You could also use this expression when you are talking about what food you are going to eat: To start with we have soup ... _________________ English as a Second Language You can read my ESL story Present Simple |
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#3 (permalink) Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:47 am To start with |
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| Alan wrote: |
| The speaker is looking at a list of programmes on television and says: In the beginning/at first or to start with we can see a comedy programme. You could also use this expression when you are talking about what food you are going to eat: To start with we have soup ... |
but what is the difference between start with and start up? |
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#4 (permalink) Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:26 am To start ... we have comedy |
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. With is a preposition:
The TV schedule starts with a comedy programme. The dinner starts with soup. The dinner ends with nuts.
Up is an adverb:
The motor started up with only a slight hum. . _________________ Native English teacher at Mister Micawber's |
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#5 (permalink) Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:30 am Start |
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Hi Enlearnercn,
Further to the answer I gave last year in explaining start with, I should add that start up can be used as follows:
As he wanted to talk to her, he decided the only thing was to start up a conversation about the weather.
In this sentence start up gives the idea beginning something with a certain amount of effort.
Alan _________________ English as a Foreign Language You can read my EFL story Progressive Forms |
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#6 (permalink) Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:56 am To start ... we have comedy |
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I check dictionary and find:start+ (a) with (b) up (c) out (d) in all mean "begin" in chinese.What different betwen them? |
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Linda_2009 I'm new here and I like it ;-)

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#7 (permalink) Fri Jan 08, 2010 15:24 pm To start ... we have comedy |
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Hi Alan,
I have the same questions with the upper. In English-Chinese dictionary, start up/with/out/in, all these phrases have the same meaning begin. What's the differences among them?
Looking forward your answers--
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#8 (permalink) Fri Jul 23, 2010 21:55 pm to Linda |
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Hi Linda,
The Oxford dictionary put differences these 4 prepositions:
1.with = in the first place a./ To start with, we haven't enough money, and secondly we haven't enough time. b./ at the beginning= We have only six member to start with.
2.up a./above; the waterfall above the bridge or waterfall up stream from the bridge b./ come into existence suddenly or unexpectedly.= Many difficulties have started up. start sth up,put/ an engine etc./in motion: We couldn't start up the car.
3.start out / to do sth//, take the first steps : He started out to write a novel.
4.start in on sth/to do sth//colloq/ begin to do it: Poor Jane! She's started in on a huge pile of ironing
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#9 (permalink) Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:58 am To start ... we have comedy |
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Hello, Why do we use with and not up?Thanks |
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#10 (permalink) Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:09 pm To start ... we have comedy |
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Hello,
Because it makes no sense in that sentence. 'To start with' = first. 'To start up' = to begin the process.
Your welcome. _________________ Native English teacher at Mister Micawber's |
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#11 (permalink) Wed Mar 23, 2011 13:46 pm To start ... we have comedy |
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| Hello people : it's so diferent English than logical Spanish language we never should saying COMENZAR CON TENEMOS we must admite that it's your language and you say like that I will try to send my photo I hope to have succes.Bye,bye |
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#12 (permalink) Wed Mar 23, 2011 14:54 pm To start ... we have comedy |
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| Letaniabubu wrote: |
| Hello people : it's so diferent English than logical Spanish language we never should saying COMENZAR CON TENEMOS we must admite that it's your language and you say like that I will try to send my photo I hope to have succes.Bye,bye |
That's true, words alone are not sufficient enough. It's how you put words together that matters. And various languages differ very much on that score. _________________ What do I think of the pie?!
Goodness gracious, its delicious!
That's what I think of the pie! |
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#13 (permalink) Wed Mar 23, 2011 16:34 pm To start ... we have comedy |
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1)"To start with it's much too expensive." 2)" She wasn't keen on the idea to start with." "The club had only six members to start with." - Whether the placing of 'with' is an indicator of the meaning implied? In another words, placing it at the beginning in 2) would change the meaning completely /and vice versa/? Regards. |
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#14 (permalink) Wed Mar 23, 2011 17:27 pm To start ... we have comedy |
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Sometimes there's no change, but the nuance/context might indicate the following change of meaning: She wasn't keen on the idea to start with - she didn't like the idea when it was first mentioned (she probably still isn't). To start with she wasn't keen on the idea - she didn't like the idea at first (but she may like it more now). _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#15 (permalink) Wed Mar 23, 2011 18:25 pm To start ... we have comedy |
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Hi,
Clearly if you put the expression at the beginning of the sentence, you are putting greater emphasis on the expression. In exactly the same way as I have emphasised 'clearly' by putting it at the beginning of my sentence.
Alan _________________ English as a Second Language You can read my ESL story Passive Voice |
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