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inversion for IF clauses - type 2? #1 (permalink) Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:38 am   inversion for IF clauses - type 2?
 

Hi,
Do people often use inversion for IF clauses - type 2? (I find this a bit weird as I've never seen it used)
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inversion for IF clauses - type 2? #2 (permalink) Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:50 am   inversion for IF clauses - type 2?
 

Hi,

I rarely use it but I've seen it used in exercises. For example:

If I were rich, I would buy a Ferrari.
===> Were I rich, I would buy a Ferrari.
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inversion for IF clauses - type 2? #3 (permalink) Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:59 am   inversion for IF clauses - type 2?
 

Hi Nessie,

This inversion construction for conditionals is usually reserved for dramatic/poetic/emotive expressions. You could say: If I had known you were at the station, I would have offered you a lift. That's just a matter of fact statement. But you could say: Had I known what I now know, I would never have agreed to that ridiculous plan. Here you are expressing regret/anger/emotion.

Hope that clarifies.

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inversion for IF clauses - type 2? #4 (permalink) Wed Aug 20, 2008 17:06 pm   inversion for IF clauses - type 2?
 

Thanks a lot, Alan and Atomos, I know that this kind of inversion is rarely used in daily conversation, but I'm just curious Smile
Yea, I've seen sentences such as 'Were I rich, I would buy a Ferrari', but what about this: 'If you helped me, I would tell you the secret"
=> How can it be inverted?
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inversion for IF clauses - type 2? #5 (permalink) Wed Aug 20, 2008 18:04 pm   inversion for IF clauses - type 2?
 

Hi, nessie

Quote:
Yea, I've seen sentences such as 'Were I rich, I would buy a Ferrari', but what about this: 'If you helped me, I would tell you the secret"
=> How can it be inverted?


According to what I was taught, the correct inverted sentence will be "Were you to help me, I would tell you the secret." However, I've seen very odd inversion. For example:

Had I some money, I would buy myself a hotdog.
Link: http://www.englishtenseswithcartoons.com/page/subj_aux_inversion

Is the above sentence correct? I think it should be "Were I to have some money, I would buy myself a hotdog."
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inversion for IF clauses - type 2? #6 (permalink) Sat Aug 23, 2008 18:20 pm   inversion for IF clauses - type 2?
 

Actually, I am not taught much about inversion of IF clauses - type II. I did do exercises like 'were I rich, I would...', and I also heard (maybe for once) about 'were I you, I would...', but I've never gone further in this. My teachers mentioned nothing about 'Had I some money, I would...', so I really have no idea whether it's correct or not (a bit odd to my ears Razz). Anyway, let's wait for some native speakers' ideas Smile
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inversion for IF clauses - type 2? #7 (permalink) Sat Aug 23, 2008 18:48 pm   inversion for IF clauses - type 2?
 

Hi Nessie

I'd say you'll rarely see that sort of inversion in a type 2 IF sentence unless, as Atomos mentioned, you use 'were'. (AmE) The inversion with 'were' would tend to sound much more formal than the "regular" uninverted version.

This sentence sounds ludicrous to me:
* Had I some money, I would buy myself a hotdog. Rolling Eyes
I would only expect to hear someone say something like that as a joke.
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inversion for IF clauses - type 2? #8 (permalink) Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:02 am   inversion for IF clauses - type 2?
 

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I'd say you'll rarely see that sort of inversion in a type 2 IF sentence unless, as Atomos mentioned, you use 'were'. (AmE) The inversion with 'were' would tend to sound much more formal than the "regular" uninverted version.

1. You said 'AmE', what about BrE, Amy?
2. What about sentences whose verbs are not 'were'?

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This sentence sounds ludicrous to me:
* Had I some money, I would buy myself a hotdog.
I would only expect to hear someone say something like that as a joke.

But exactly is it correct or incorrect? and if that way of inverting the sentence is so ludicrous, which one do you suggest?
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