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#2 (permalink) Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:50 am inversion for IF clauses - type 2? |
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Hi,
I rarely use it but I've seen it used in exercises. For example:
If I were rich, I would buy a Ferrari. ===> Were I rich, I would buy a Ferrari. _________________ "I would rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." Kurt Cobain |
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#3 (permalink) Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:59 am inversion for IF clauses - type 2? |
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Hi Nessie,
This inversion construction for conditionals is usually reserved for dramatic/poetic/emotive expressions. You could say: If I had known you were at the station, I would have offered you a lift. That's just a matter of fact statement. But you could say: Had I known what I now know, I would never have agreed to that ridiculous plan. Here you are expressing regret/anger/emotion.
Hope that clarifies.
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#4 (permalink) Wed Aug 20, 2008 17:06 pm inversion for IF clauses - type 2? |
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Thanks a lot, Alan and Atomos, I know that this kind of inversion is rarely used in daily conversation, but I'm just curious :) Yea, I've seen sentences such as 'Were I rich, I would buy a Ferrari', but what about this: 'If you helped me, I would tell you the secret" => How can it be inverted? _________________ :(... something we never have again, I know... I guess I really really know.. :(
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#5 (permalink) Wed Aug 20, 2008 18:04 pm inversion for IF clauses - type 2? |
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Hi, nessie
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Yea, I've seen sentences such as 'Were I rich, I would buy a Ferrari', but what about this: 'If you helped me, I would tell you the secret" => How can it be inverted? |
According to what I was taught, the correct inverted sentence will be "Were you to help me, I would tell you the secret." However, I've seen very odd inversion. For example:
Had I some money, I would buy myself a hotdog. Link: http://www.englishtenseswithcartoons.com/page/subj_aux_inversion
Is the above sentence correct? I think it should be "Were I to have some money, I would buy myself a hotdog." _________________ "I would rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." Kurt Cobain |
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#6 (permalink) Sat Aug 23, 2008 18:20 pm inversion for IF clauses - type 2? |
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Actually, I am not taught much about inversion of IF clauses - type II. I did do exercises like 'were I rich, I would...', and I also heard (maybe for once) about 'were I you, I would...', but I've never gone further in this. My teachers mentioned nothing about 'Had I some money, I would...', so I really have no idea whether it's correct or not (a bit odd to my ears :P). Anyway, let's wait for some native speakers' ideas :) _________________ :(... something we never have again, I know... I guess I really really know.. :(
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#7 (permalink) Sat Aug 23, 2008 18:48 pm inversion for IF clauses - type 2? |
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Hi Nessie
I'd say you'll rarely see that sort of inversion in a type 2 IF sentence unless, as Atomos mentioned, you use 'were'. (AmE) The inversion with 'were' would tend to sound much more formal than the "regular" uninverted version.
This sentence sounds ludicrous to me: * Had I some money, I would buy myself a hotdog. :roll: I would only expect to hear someone say something like that as a joke. . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#8 (permalink) Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:02 am inversion for IF clauses - type 2? |
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| I'd say you'll rarely see that sort of inversion in a type 2 IF sentence unless, as Atomos mentioned, you use 'were'. (AmE) The inversion with 'were' would tend to sound much more formal than the "regular" uninverted version. |
1. You said 'AmE', what about BrE, Amy? 2. What about sentences whose verbs are not 'were'?
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This sentence sounds ludicrous to me: * Had I some money, I would buy myself a hotdog. I would only expect to hear someone say something like that as a joke.
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But exactly is it correct or incorrect? and if that way of inverting the sentence is so ludicrous, which one do you suggest? _________________ :(... something we never have again, I know... I guess I really really know.. :(
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