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| (The people who sound the T generally won't notice if you don't; but the people who don't may notice if you do.) |
And why should that matter? |
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ESLers are often interested in having this sort of information. That's why they ask questions about such things, Molly.
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ESLers are often interested in having this sort of information. That's why they ask questions about such things, Molly.
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And why would "people who sound the T generally" not "notice if you don't "but the people who don't may notice if you do"? |
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| #20 (permalink) Thu Aug 28, 2008 15:42 pm why often has two way of pronunciation? |
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ESLers are often interested in having this sort of information. That's why they ask questions about such things, Molly.
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And why would "people who sound the T generally" not "notice if you don't "but the people who don't may notice if you do"? |
Because the pronunciation with the T is mildly stigmatized, similarly to the way pronouncing "picture" as "pitcher" is stigmatized, only not as much. |
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| #21 (permalink) Thu Aug 28, 2008 18:28 pm why often has two way of pronunciation? |
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| Because the pronunciation with the T is mildly stigmatized, similarly to the way pronouncing "picture" as "pitcher" is stigmatized, only not as much. |
Do you have proof of it being stigmatised? By whom is it seen a stigmatised? |
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| #22 (permalink) Thu Aug 28, 2008 19:13 pm why often has two way of pronunciation? |
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Hi Mrpedantic,Yankee,Jamie, Molly ,
Thanks a lot for replies which i appreciated too much . Be sure that any reply you post learns me a thing and makes my English better .
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| #23 (permalink) Thu Aug 28, 2008 19:23 pm why often has two way of pronunciation? |
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Hi Molly,
Your comments have been missed.
At times it's hard to provide proof of instinctive feel for your own language. I'm sure you think you know a thing or two about your own language as well, and so do Jamie, MrP and Amy. The only difference here is that said people express expert opinions. Are you an expert on any language, Molly?
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Hi Mrpedantic,Yankee,Jamie, Molly ,
Thanks a lot for replies which i appreciated too much . Be sure that any reply you post learns me a thing and makes my English better. |
Najlaa, be careful about the difference between "very much" and "too much". "Very much" expresses a positive idea, and "too much" is negative.
For example:
"He likes football very much." = He gets a lot of enjoyment from football.
"He likes football too much." = He likes football so much that it causes problems in his life.
This is a very common mistake for Arabic speakers, so you should pay special attention to this. |
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Hi Jamie,
Thanks for paying my attention to :oops: my mistake :oops: that`s why i am in the forum with great teachers like you :)
sorry guys i meant "very much" :)
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| #26 (permalink) Thu Aug 28, 2008 23:12 pm why often has two way of pronunciation? |
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Some ESL students prefer to avoid shibboleths; even mild ones, as in this instance.
For examples of stigmatisation, you could turn to this thread, at English Forums.
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| #27 (permalink) Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:39 am why often has two way of pronunciation? |
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Would you call that a qualified source? |
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| #28 (permalink) Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:51 am why often has two way of pronunciation? |
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Would you call that a qualified source? |
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