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You should not use "was", and you should also not use "including".
It should be: "They thought the price also included customs duty." |
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| #3 (permalink) Mon Sep 01, 2008 17:49 pm Including or Was Including |
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Hi,
Just a thought - imagine the situation. You can't see a price tag on an article you want to buy. You ask: How much is this? and you get an answer. Your next question could be: Is that including VAT (Value Added Tax)? And you get your answer. You then report the price to another person and say: He said the price was *** and that was including VAT.
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| #4 (permalink) Mon Sep 01, 2008 18:00 pm Including or Was Including |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
You should not use "was", and you should also not use "including".
It should be: "They thought the price also included customs duty." |
Present Perfect is wrong here to use ? |
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| #5 (permalink) Mon Sep 01, 2008 18:01 pm Including or Was Including |
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| Alan wrote: |
Hi,
Just a thought - imagine the situation. You can't see a price tag on an article you want to buy. You ask: How much is this? and you get an answer. Your next question could be: Is that including VAT (Value Added Tax)? And you get your answer. You then report the price to another person and say: He said the price was *** and that was including VAT.
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| #6 (permalink) Mon Sep 01, 2008 18:03 pm Including or Was Including |
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| Volcano1985 wrote: |
| Jamie (K) wrote: |
You should not use "was", and you should also not use "including".
It should be: "They thought the price also included customs duty." |
Present Perfect is wrong here to use ? |
Present perfect would also be wrong. |
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| #7 (permalink) Mon Sep 01, 2008 18:04 pm Including or Was Including |
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| Volcano1985 wrote: |
| Alan wrote: |
Hi,
Just a thought - imagine the situation. You can't see a price tag on an article you want to buy. You ask: How much is this? and you get an answer. Your next question could be: Is that including VAT (Value Added Tax)? And you get your answer. You then report the price to another person and say: He said the price was *** and that was including VAT.
Alan |
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Keep in mind that what Alan is presenting here is correct for informal speech. In formal writing it would be better to use what I gave you. |
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| #8 (permalink) Mon Sep 01, 2008 18:04 pm Including or Was Including |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Volcano1985 wrote: |
| Jamie (K) wrote: |
You should not use "was", and you should also not use "including".
It should be: "They thought the price also included customs duty." |
Present Perfect is wrong here to use ? |
Present perfect would also be wrong. |
Reason ? |
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| #9 (permalink) Mon Sep 01, 2008 18:10 pm Including or Was Including |
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If you use the present perfect without a time reference, it means that something was true at some unspecified time in the past, but maybe it's not true now.
If you said, "They thought the price has also included customs duty," that means that they thought that at some time in the past the price might have included customs duty, but maybe it doesn't now. |
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| #10 (permalink) Mon Sep 01, 2008 18:16 pm Including or Was Including |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| If you said, "They thought the price has also included customs duty," that means that they thought that at some time in the past the price might have included customs duty, but maybe it doesn't now. |
Hi, Jamie
I thought that if in the main clause one of the past tenses is used then in the subordinate clause we mostly have to use one of the past tenses either (or would + the verb).
So, my question is: shouldn't it be "they thought the prise had also included customs duty" ?
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| #11 (permalink) Mon Sep 01, 2008 18:22 pm Including or Was Including |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
If you use the present perfect without a time reference, it means that something was true at some unspecified time in the past, but maybe it's not true now.
If you said, "They thought the price has also included customs duty," that means that they thought that at some time in the past the price might have included customs duty, but maybe it doesn't now. |
To your explanation,I think i can use Present Perfect too |
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| #13 (permalink) Mon Sep 01, 2008 18:37 pm Including or Was Including |
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Here the whole text
"If the customs duty is not included,we won't be able to compete with the other marks,besides ABC have demanded the last price and they have thought the price was included customs duty too" |
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| #14 (permalink) Mon Sep 01, 2008 18:46 pm Including or Was Including |
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| If the customs duty is not included,we won't be able to compete with the other vendors. Besides, ABC is demanding the last price, and they thought that price did include customs duty. |
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| #15 (permalink) Mon Sep 01, 2008 18:49 pm Including or Was Including |
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| Barb_D wrote: |
| If the customs duty is not included,we won't be able to compete with the other vendors. Besides, ABC is demanding the last price, and they thought that price did include customs duty. |
If you say "ABC is demanding the last price" this does not meet the meaning of the original text that I translated from.Its done in the past |
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