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ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes #1 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:26 pm   ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes
 

Teachers, do you have/have you had those moments in your teaching career when you say "I wouldn't do that kind of activity in class"? If so, and I'm assuming you do/have, are such decisions mainly based on what you think students would accept, the effectiveness of such an activity, your own character (too shy, not confident enough, uncomfortable, etc. to present certain activities in class) or other?

Can you think of ESL-based exercises and activities that you would definitely not do in class?

And would you "not be caught dead" doing such an activity as "laughter yoga"?

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ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes #2 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 14:11 pm   ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes
 

My ESL students are largely mature adults and want nothing to do with games. They find them an inefficient way to learn language principles, and I agree with them. So I would use games with children, but not with adults.

In the US, and in some other English-speaking countries, the ESL field is dominated by women, mainly women who were originally trained to teach children, and this remains their orientation. This has a negative effect in the classroom, because they tend to treat their adult students as if they were children. Some of them go so far as to play "boys against the girls" games with them, bring in plastic farm animals to play with, etc. In a children's class this is acceptable, but it's inefficient and embarrassing in a class full of doctors, nurses, engineers, lawyers, graduate students and business people who are hard-nosed and serious about learning as much English as they can in the shortest possible time. These people have their dignity and should not be treated like children.

This feminine, child-oriented attitude toward adult language learning also ruins some textbooks when too many of the exercises involve oblique explanations and a lot of guessing. Usually the guessing exercises aren't effective if the student doesn't guess along the lines that the author thinks. This kind of exercise also wastes a lot of time, because the student has to focus more on psychoanalyzing the author or instructor than on acquiring the vocabulary or structures at issue. The exercises remind me of a wife dropping hints all over the house before her birthday instead of just telling her husband what she wants. It's better just to give students the words or structure directly and have them practice using them.

I hated to sing in language classes, so I don't inflict that on my ESL students, even though I think it's a productive activity. I recommend they sing at home or in the car.
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ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes #3 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 15:21 pm   ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes
 

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My ESL students are largely mature adults and want nothing to do with games.


Not sure if you are suggesting that other teachers' adult students would be immature if they wanted anything to do with games. Are you?

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They find them an inefficient way to learn language principles, and I agree with them.


What do you mean by language principles?

And isn't it true that games are used in areas of workplace training quite a lot?

e.g. worldgames.com.au/?gclid=CMi1ssCzzJUCFQVItAodOFiNYQ
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ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes #4 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 16:12 pm   ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes
 

Molly wrote:
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My ESL students are largely mature adults and want nothing to do with games.


Not sure if you are suggesting that other teachers' adult students would be immature if they wanted anything to do with games. Are you?

No, I'm not, but I don't find many cases in which professional-level ESL students want to engage in them.

It's one thing in some other country where they don't really have to depend on English for their well-being, and the class is a sort of leisure activity. However, here, where English means wealth or poverty, or sometimes life or death, for the students, when that lady pulls out the plastic farm animals or has the men line up on one side of the room and the women on the other, the students may cooperate, but I can tell you with certainty that they want to punch that teacher's lights out.

Molly wrote:
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They find them an inefficient way to learn language principles, and I agree with them.


What do you mean by language principles?

Stop asking me for definitions of things you already know the meaning of.

Molly wrote:
And isn't it true that games are used in areas of workplace training quite a lot?

To some degree, and at least half of the employees consider them an embarrassing waste of time.
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ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes #5 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 16:51 pm   ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes
 

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No, I'm not, but I don't find many cases in which professional-level ESL students want to engage in them.


I see.

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However, here, where English means wealth or poverty, or sometimes life or death, for the students, when that lady pulls out the plastic farm animals or has the men line up on one side of the room and the women on the other, the students may cooperate, but I can tell you with certainty that they want to punch that teacher's lights out.


They don't sound like adult mature students to me.

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Stop asking me for definitions of things you already know the meaning of.


Hey, I honestly don't know what you mean.

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To some degree, and at least half of the employees consider them an embarrassing waste of time.


I guess it's still a good business then if 50% find such training effective.
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ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes #6 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 17:08 pm   ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes
 

Molly wrote:
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However, here, where English means wealth or poverty, or sometimes life or death, for the students, when that lady pulls out the plastic farm animals or has the men line up on one side of the room and the women on the other, the students may cooperate, but I can tell you with certainty that they want to punch that teacher's lights out.


They don't sound like adult mature students to me.

They obviously ARE mature adult students, because they cooperate and don't complain, even though they want to strangle the instructor for wasting so much of their time. That instructor never hears about it, but I do later.

Molly wrote:
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To some degree, and at least half of the employees consider them an embarrassing waste of time.


I guess it's still a good business then if 50% find such training effective.

All you need to do is convince upper management that it's worthwhile, and everyone in the company is forced to take it.
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ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes #7 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 17:27 pm   ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes
 

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That instructor never hears about it, but I do later.


And you've never told this to the instructor?

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All you need to do is convince upper management that it's worthwhile, and everyone in the company is forced to take it.


And are upper-management poor at judging the value of such training?
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ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes #8 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 17:35 pm   ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes
 

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That instructor never hears about it, but I do later.


And you've never told this to the instructor?

No. That kind of instructor is usually too sensitive (although not very sensitive to the dignity of her students).

Molly wrote:
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All you need to do is convince upper management that it's worthwhile, and everyone in the company is forced to take it.


And are upper-management poor at judging the value of such training?

Usually, yes. There's a whole industry built around convincing upper management to pay for "emperor's new clothes" type seminars for everyone in their companies.
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ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes #9 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 19:21 pm   ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes
 

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That kind of instructor is usually too sensitive (although not very sensitive to the dignity of her students).


?? Is she always a she?

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There's a whole industry built around convincing upper management to pay for "emperor's new clothes" type seminars for everyone in their companies.


Well, as you stated above, at least it's only 50% who find value in such "attire".
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ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes #10 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 19:25 pm   ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes
 

Molly wrote:
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That kind of instructor is usually too sensitive (although not very sensitive to the dignity of her students).


?? Is she always a she?

Nearly always. ESL instructors are nearly always women in the US, and since few men are attracted to using such activities, it's safe to say it's going to be a woman.
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ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes #11 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 19:26 pm   ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes
 

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ESL instructors are nearly always women in the US, and since few men are attracted to using such activities, it's safe to say it's going to be a woman.


That's rather odd, as most books about games in the ESL classroom seem to be by men.
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ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes #12 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 19:42 pm   ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes
 

Molly wrote:
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ESL instructors are nearly always women in the US, and since few men are attracted to using such activities, it's safe to say it's going to be a woman.


That's rather odd, as most books about games in the ESL classroom seem to be by men.

Then you should probably look into sexism in the ESL publishing industry, if that's your obsession. Besides, most ESL books in the US are an adaptation of some British book or other.
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ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes #13 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 22:19 pm   ESL-based activities you wouldn't do in ESL classes
 

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Then you should probably look into sexism in the ESL publishing industry, if that's your obsession.


Thank goodness you didn't accuse all those male writers of being feminine, eh? Wink
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