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| Look, there is a Norn on the table! |
Though norn shall heed it. :P |
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| #33 (permalink) Tue Sep 09, 2008 23:29 pm Molly's Playground |
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| Yankee wrote: |
| Ralf wrote: |
| Look, there is a Norn on the table! |
:lol:
And the fact that a Norn is on the table might be a tad disconcerting to some.
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Only if it's Urd. She's the scary one.
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| #34 (permalink) Tue Sep 09, 2008 23:48 pm Molly's Playground |
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Hi Skrej,
I don't agree with you at all. Urd has always been the one trying to harmonize the entire Norn family so I think Urd should be supported by us. The true villain here is Rint!
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| #35 (permalink) Tue Sep 09, 2008 23:55 pm Molly's Playground |
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What happened to out trusty moderator?
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| #36 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 0:12 am Molly's Playground |
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| Molly wrote: |
And if you believe I am not a learner, you must also accept that my view on "There is a pencil on the desk" is just as valid as yours, Mr M's, etc., right?
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That doesn't quite follow.
For example, I'm happy to accept that you're not an ESL student. However, that doesn't mean that I "must" therefore accept that your view on any XYZ is "valid". A learner may put forward a valid argument; a non-learner may put forward an invalid argument.
(In this instance, your case might be improved if you were to post a substitute sentence, to demonstrate a non-TEFL-ese example of existential "there"; but you seem strangely coy about doing so.)
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| #37 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 0:21 am Molly's Playground |
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| (In this instance, your case might be improved if you were to post a substitute sentence, to demonstrate a non-TEFL-ese example of existential "there"; but you seem strangely coy about doing so.) |
Ask our German-Irish moderator about that. I posted many, but he deleted them.
Still, if I told you that I thought the latest Woody Allen filmscript was terrible, would you ask me to provide an alternative? |
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| #38 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 0:46 am Molly's Playground |
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I'm not asking you to write a filmscript. That would be an unreasonable request.
I am asking you to provide a non-TEFL-ese example. That is a reasonable request.
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| #39 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 0:50 am Molly's Playground |
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I am asking you to provide a non-TEFL-ese example. That is a reasonable request.
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And how would that action make "There is a pen on the desk" any less TEFLese?
How about "There's something on your mind. I can tell."?
How does that grab you?
Or, "There's something on your back/shirt/coat".
TEFLese?
"There's food on your plate. Now eat it!"
Straight from the classroom? |
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| #40 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:42 am Molly's Playground |
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1. There's something on your mind. I can tell.
— Too metaphorical. And we would have to explain "tell".
2. There's something on your shirt.
— That's not too bad. How would you illustrate it in the classroom?
3. There's food on your plate. Now eat it!
— Too emotive. And we would have to explain the imperative.
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| #41 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:48 am Molly's Playground |
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| Too metaphorical. And we would have to explain "tell". |
Do we have a certain student in mind, then? What level is he? And, I'm assuming from your reply that there is not a smidgen of TEFLese in that sentence.
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2. There's something on your shirt.
That's not too bad. How would you illustrate it in the classroom? |
When did we move to illustration? And wouldn't we have to explain "something"? :wink:
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3. There's food on your plate. Now eat it!
— Too emotive. And we would have to explain the imperative. |
Do we have a certain student in mind, then? What level is he? And, I'm assuming from your reply that there is not a smidgen of TEFLese in that sentence. |
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| #42 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:00 am Molly's Playground |
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| Molly wrote: |
Do we have a certain student in mind, then? What level is he?
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The level at which one learns about existential "there".
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And, I'm assuming from your reply that there is not a smidgen of TEFLese in that sentence.
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Probably about the same as in the "pencil" example.
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And wouldn't we have to explain "something"?
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I didn't like to mention it, but...
So: stick to pens and desks?
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| #43 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:08 am Molly's Playground |
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| The level at which one learns about existential "there". |
Which means that the level one would learn "tell", as used above, would be later that the level one learns existential "there", would it?
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| Probably about the same as in the "pencil" example. |
Which for you has no trace of TEFLese, right?
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| So: stick to pens and desks? |
If you want students at the experiential "there" level to speak TEFLese, why not? Go for it!
Aside: why do you assume that students would not be familar with the equivalents of "something", "tell" used metaphorically, and emotive and metaphorical usage, in there L1?
And it seems you'd teach existential "there" before "the imperative". Am I right? |
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| #44 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:37 am Molly's Playground |
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People here use the "there's" contraction fairly regularly in everyday speech. I didn't know what this topic was about, frankly.
What's the question?
oh
Well:
"... there's a pencil on the desk..." is her way of telling him:
1) where he can find a pencil
2) that he is a dumbass for asking when he can plainly see the pencil
and/or
3) that she knows it was an attempt at a pickup line, and this is her way of shooting him down:
"Like, duh, there's a pencil on THE DESK RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. And don't even think of asking me out!"
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| #45 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:48 am Molly's Playground |
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:lol:
Better watch out, Tom, or you'll be accused of "manufacturing" scenarios.
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