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| There's a pencil on the desk-- would you hand it to me, please? |
Is that the same as "There is a pencil on the desk", IYO? |
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| #3 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:30 am Sentence "A pencil is on the desk" |
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Please take a look at this thread.
Molly: Have you ever in all your life heard someone say, outside and ESL classroom, "There is a pencil on the desk"?
MrM: Yes. "There's a pencil on the desk-- would you hand it to me, please?"
Ralf: Yes. "But Brad, there is a pencil on the desk."
Molly: "This is my tailor is rich is TEFLese."
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| #4 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:32 am Sentence "A pencil is on the desk" |
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| Please take a look at this thread. |
Please take look at articles on TEFLese, Ralf.
Same question to you, Ralf:
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Quote Mr M:
There's a pencil on the desk-- would you hand it to me, please? |
Is that the same as "There is a pencil on the desk", IYO, Ralf? |
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| #5 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:35 am Sentence "A pencil is on the desk" |
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| Molly wrote: |
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| There's a pencil on the desk-- would you hand it to me, please? |
Is that the same as "There is a pencil on the desk", IYO? |
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Honestly? Many, many, many times, Molly (except that 'there is' is contracted, of course). It is as common as dandelions. |
People use contractions when they speak, Molly.
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| #6 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:38 am Sentence "A pencil is on the desk" |
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| People use contractions when they speak, Molly. |
Some teachers and students use them when they write, Ralf. |
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| #8 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:42 am Sentence "A pencil is on the desk" |
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And you must decide whether "There is a pencil on the desk" sounds like something one would typically find in a pre-70s TEFL book or not. I've decided.
To me, "There is a pencil on the desk" sounds like TEFLese.
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Learners would be exposed almost entirely to authentic native speaker language. They would not be taught through the medium of 'TEFLese'- a language designed to illustrate the workings of a simplified grammatical system and bearing a beguiling but ultimately quite false similarity to real English.
cels.bham.ac.uk/resources/LexSyllabus/intro.pdf |
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| #9 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 13:30 pm Sentence "A pencil is on the desk" |
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What you've apparently decided, "Molly", is to hijack yet another thread in order to rant. Quite frankly, your posts often seem designed to do nothing more than to purposely mislead ESL students as much as humanly possible.
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| #10 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 13:39 pm Sentence "A pencil is on the desk" |
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Amy has spoken, so it must be.
I'd say much of the misleading comes from native speakers who can't get beyond TEFLese. I'm allowed to say and think that, am I? Or is it only you who's allowed to have the last word on usage? |
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| #11 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 16:22 pm Sentence "A pencil is on the desk" |
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| Molly wrote: |
And you must decide whether "There is a pencil on the desk" sounds like something one would typically find in a pre-70s TEFL book or not. I've decided.
To me, "There is a pencil on the desk" sounds like TEFLese. |
You had already 'decided' that before you asked for an opinion. No news, Molly. You should change your strategy coz yar borin d crap outa us.
step 1 - Molly asks a question and for an opinion.
step 2 - Molly gets the anticipated answer.
step 3 - Molly doubts native-speaker points of view and picks a fight.
step 4 - Molly's mission is accomplished; Blackboard Jungle's in full spate.
step 5 - Molly's strategy to shut up genuine learners annoys everyone but him.
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| #12 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 16:44 pm Molly's Playground |
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| Tut ,tut, Ralf, your amateur approach to moderating is showing once again. |
Do you think this was a real question?
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| Have you ever in all your life heard someone say, outside and ESL classroom, "There is a pencil on the desk"? |
I'm surprised I needed to ask it.
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| Molly doubts native-speaker points of view and picks a fight |
Let us not question native-speakers, eh, Ralf?
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| Molly's strategy to shut up genuine learners annoys everyone but him. |
Yup, the natives are restless. They don't like being challenged.
Ralf, hundreds of native speakers every year write books full of TEFLese nonsense. Should I, as a learner, be allowed to challenge their choices? |
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| #13 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 17:03 pm Molly's Playground |
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You're not a learner. You're only here to pick fights and distract learners. That's why I've told you I will delete those entries that are misleading and insulting. And I will continue to do so.
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| #14 (permalink) Mon Sep 08, 2008 19:22 pm Molly's Playground |
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| That's why I've told you I will delete those entries that are misleading and insulting. |
Whoever writes them, right?
So you decide what's misleading, do you?
And if you believe I am not a learner, you must also accept that my view on "There is a pencil on the desk" is just as valid as yours, Mr M's, etc., right? |
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| #15 (permalink) Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:01 am Molly's Playground |
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I've asked you twice for an example; but you're unable to provide one. Readers will draw their own conclusions.
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As they will, if allowed to, about my comments on TEFLese language and EFL.
Let us not forget that is you who has decided why these are presented in EFL classes:
1. There is a pencil on the desk.
2. A pencil is on the desk.
You are quite sure they were not presented to tell us how to express that a pencil exists and its location, are you? |
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