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| Molly wrote: |
Indeed not, but have you come across grammar books which are only composed of manufactured sentences?
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All sentences are manufactured.
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No one real rose is like another? Is that what you're saying? |
With one generalised illustration, we can explain the structure of many different kinds of plant. With a real rose, we can explain the structure of a rose.
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| #18 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:53 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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Really? What do you understand by "manufactured"? |
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| #19 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:55 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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That which is characteristic of all sentences.
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| #20 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:55 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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| With one generalised illustration, we can explain the structure of many different kinds of plant. With a real rose, we can explain the structure of a rose. |
And with plastic roses we can show what a rose is not. |
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| #21 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:57 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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You are clearly a sentimentalist.
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| #22 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:57 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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That which is characteristic of all sentences.
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So are you saying that all sentences are invented/manufactured anew each time they are used? |
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| #23 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:58 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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You are clearly a sentimentalist.
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I'm clear, and that counts for something. |
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| #24 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:08 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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You forget: we are teaching structure.
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| #25 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:11 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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You forget: we are teaching structure.
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Can you isolate it from meaning? |
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| #26 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:12 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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You can reduce irrelevant meaning.
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| #27 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:13 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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You can reduce irrelevant meaning.
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And end up with TEFLese examples. |
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| #28 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:52 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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Is 'there is a pen on the desk' TEFLese, Molly?
If so, why?
And what would be a better way to use real language that shows emotionally involvement with stationary equipment on the table?
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| #29 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:55 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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Is 'there is a pen on the desk' TEFLese, Molly?
If so, why?
And what would be a better way to use real language that shows emotionally involvement with stationary equipment on the table? |
Perhaps emotional involvement with mobile equipment on the table would resolve this issue?
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| #30 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:10 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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| And what would be a better way to use real language that shows emotionally involvement with stationary equipment on the table? |
One's cards are on the table, Ralf. :wink:
Tell me, why does our speaker need to say "There is a pen on the desk", IYO, Ralf? What's his motivation for doing so? What communicative act does he want to achieve?
When you say "stationary" there, do you mean immobile? |
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