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| At any stage in the process of learning X, your knowledge of X is "partial". |
And some might prefer it remain that way.  |
Is that a subjunctive, M? |
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| #48 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 23:19 pm Why manufactured sentences? |
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| MrPedantic wrote: |
| Is that a subjunctive, M? |
My partial knowledge leads me to think it may be.  |
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| #49 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 23:23 pm Why manufactured sentences? |
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Interesting...
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| #50 (permalink) Wed Sep 10, 2008 23:28 pm Why manufactured sentences? |
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Who was it who said something like "An abstract apple may feed you soul, but a real apple will satisfy your hunger"?
Here's an interesting comment:
"Manufactured sentences are more likely to contain such atypical examples than sentences drawn from natural sources."
Read more here: antimoon.com/forum/t11607-15.htm
Same source.
"There is no need to see natural sentences unless you intend to learn to produce sentences and not simply understand."
Good point, but are there many ESL students who are of the "I simply need to understand and not do want to produce" mindset? |
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| #51 (permalink) Thu Sep 11, 2008 22:24 pm Why manufactured sentences? |
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| Molly wrote: |
Who was it who said something like "An abstract apple may feed you soul, but a real apple will satisfy your hunger"?
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We are not dealing with abstract and real apples. We are dealing with a comparison between, on the one hand, the sentence:
1. There is a pencil on the table.
and on the other:
2. Open your eyes!
Since the original context of #1 was existential "there", #2 does not meet the case.
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| #52 (permalink) Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:17 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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| We are not dealing with abstract and real apples. We are dealing with a comparison between, on the one hand, the sentence: |
I thought we were dealing with "Why manufactured sentences?".
manufactured sentences* = abstract apples (IMO)
*Those created with the purpose of illustrating a grammar point |
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| #53 (permalink) Mon Sep 22, 2008 0:06 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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If a sentence were created for the purpose of illustrating a point of grammar, but also happened to exist elsewhere – say, in the BNC – would it still be a "manufactured sentence"?
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| #54 (permalink) Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:29 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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If a sentence were created for the purpose of illustrating a point of grammar, but also happened to exist elsewhere – say, in the BNC – would it still be a "manufactured sentence"?
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If the teacher manufactured the sentence in or before the class and without help form the BNC, it might, IMO.
You seem to have a problem with the word "manufactured" and this "Those created with the purpose of illustrating a grammar point".
Do you think the BNC examples would have been "created with the purpose of illustrating a grammar point"? |
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| #55 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 23:00 pm Why manufactured sentences? |
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| Molly wrote: |
If the teacher manufactured the sentence in or before the class and without help form the BNC, it might, IMO.
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And how would you tell the difference between the sentence "manufactured" in class, and the sentence in the BNC?
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| #56 (permalink) Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:36 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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And how would you tell the difference between the sentence "manufactured" in class, and the sentence in the BNC?
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If you have to ask that, MrP, you certainly haven't been anywhere near an ESL classroom or study book. |
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| #57 (permalink) Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:09 am Why manufactured sentences? |
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Suppose the teacher devised this sentence, to demonstrate the use of "quite":
1. This is quite an interesting book.
Would that be a "manufactured" sentence?
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| #58 (permalink) Sat Sep 27, 2008 13:32 pm Why manufactured sentences? |
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| You insisted that all sentences are manufactured, so why would you be interested in another opinion? |
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