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Hi Torsten,
I guess you saw the documentation on Kabel TV yesterday, didn´t you?
As for me, Michael Moore´s arguments sounded quite logical and shed some light on the events that happened. I mean, as sceptical as I am (you probably can imagine my opinion), I`d never thought about it in such dark colors since I always had the imagination that there is anything good in everyones mind. At least the report ("officially" called a "satire") destroyed some obscurity I had had before.
If Moore is right, many other questions come to mind to which he didn´t pay a certain attention and we shouldn´t think of events in the past but more than that to some in the future and especially East- and Middle Europe might prepare for hard times.
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| Wed Sep 10, 2008 13:07 pm What does 9/11 mean to you? |
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Hi Torsten,
9/11 had an impact on anybody, I'm sure. The first impact it had on my life was that it spoilt a date I had that night. Admittedly, not a significant effect in comparison to 2 collapsing towers. The last time I felt it's effect was when I had to take off my smelly trainers after the alarm of the security apparatus went off at baggage check in.
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| Wed Sep 10, 2008 13:09 pm What does 9/11 mean to you? |
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| Fan of Arabian horses wrote: | | As for me, Michael Moore´s arguments sounded quite logical and shed some light on the events that happened. |
Hi Michael,
I can't wait to hear Jamie's response to this 
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| Wed Sep 10, 2008 13:40 pm What does 9/11 mean to you? |
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| Ralf wrote: | | I can't wait to hear Jamie's response to this |
Hi Ralf,
I can´t too, if he consideres my post worth a response at all.
But how about you, Have you seen Moore´s "Fahrenheit 9/11"? And didn´t it enlighten you or at least give you an imagination of some unexplained events last years? I only am eager to know whether Moore could tell you something new? |
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| Wed Sep 10, 2008 14:02 pm What does 9/11 mean to you? |
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| Ralf wrote: | Hi Michael,
I respect Michael Moore for what he is - an entertaining satirist. There is a lot of truth in satire, but you can't take it at face value. |
As with all statements about why 9/11 happened and about who the responsible party/ies. |
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| Wed Sep 10, 2008 14:11 pm What does 9/11 mean to you? |
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| Torsten wrote: | | What are your associations with 9/11? Have the events had any impact on your life and do you think something similar can happen in the near future again? |
Sometimes, I see it as a date each year when many Americans can again steal the limelight and make us forget/distract from all the other terrorist activities that have happened and are happening around the world. But that's only sometimes.
I guess it's all influenced by their, rapidly growing, "country first" thinking. |
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| Wed Sep 10, 2008 18:55 pm What does 9/11 mean to you? |
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Hi Ralf,
I must admit that Michael Moore´s Fahrenheit 9/11 jokes about the evidenced facts are that oppressive that I wasn´t able to find out much humour in it. So, the impression that Moore is just a simple "kidding bellyacher" didn´t came to my very special mind. |
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| Wed Sep 10, 2008 19:11 pm What does 9/11 mean to you? |
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Hi Michael,
I think what Ralf and Molly were trying to say is that you probably shouldn't believe everything Michael Moore tells you just as you shouldn't believe everything the US government tells you. I remember having a similar discussion here.
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| Wed Sep 10, 2008 19:18 pm What does 9/11 mean to you? |
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Hi Michael,
You're right, he's not just a brawler. But he's very clever when it comes to mixing truth with fiction. And he's good at bringing matters to a head (just like Jamie). You may argue that his intentions are honorable. And you may say the same about Jamie 
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| Wed Sep 10, 2008 23:40 pm What does 9/11 mean to you? |
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| Fan of Arabian horses wrote: | Hi Molly,
sorry, I didn´t get your point, i.e. I don´t know what you´re agreeing with.
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This one.
you can´t take it at face value? |
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| Quote: | | I think what Ralf and Molly were trying to say is that you probably shouldn't believe everything Michael Moore tells you just as you shouldn't believe everything the US government tells you. |
Excactly. It's sometimes a good idea to consider which party has the most to gain or hide by their statements. |
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| Thu Sep 11, 2008 13:06 pm What does 9/11 mean to you? |
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Hi!
I think we´re unable to figure out who is closer to the truth: Michael M or Georgie B with his government?
But there is another question that makes me wonder about. Till joining this thread I have been thinking that satire means telling the truth while mixing it with a bit humour and exaggerating in some statements to make people think about events. Very important for satire is the use of humour. Michael Moore´s "F...." lacks of humour quite completely, at least there wasn´t any point I´ve been able to smirk about.
So is there another definition of "satire" all around me than I would define it?
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