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Do you see that it is 5 am and that others might be sleeping? Patience is a virtue, vaok.
It is hard to answer; there are several other mistakes in your sentences. Is that the quality of the originals? As far as I can see, there are 2 answers to #1 and no reasonable answer for #2.
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1. we have become really good friends, but ___ students have beginning to gosiping.
A. other B. the other C. another D. others
We have become really good friends but "the other students" have begun gossiping (specific students)
We have become really good friends but "other students" have begun gossiping (non specific students) |
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| #4 (permalink) Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:47 pm other or the other |
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| Mister Micawber wrote: |
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Do you see that it is 5 am and that others might be sleeping? Patience is a virtue, vaok.
It is hard to answer; there are several other mistakes in your sentences. Is that the quality of the originals? As far as I can see, there are 2 answers to #1 and no reasonable answer for #2.
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Sorry, I forgot the different time area. |
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| #5 (permalink) Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:48 pm other or the other |
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| HamburgEnglish wrote: |
1. we have become really good friends, but ___ students have beginning to gosiping.
A. other B. the other C. another D. others
We have become really good friends but "the other students" have begun gossiping (specific students)
We have become really good friends but "other students" have begun gossiping (non specific students) |
I like your explanation. thank you! |
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| #6 (permalink) Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:56 pm other or the other |
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| The 2nd one is from Anne's diary. |
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| #7 (permalink) Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:59 pm other or the other |
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| HamburgEnglish wrote: |
1. we have become really good friends, but ___ students have beginning to gosiping.
A. other B. the other C. another D. others
We have become really good friends but "the other students" have begun gossiping (specific students)
We have become really good friends but "other students" have begun gossiping (non specific students) |
I'm not sure that "have begun gossiping" is correct.
I have a strong hunch that it should be have begun to gossip (because they apparently did not gossip before)
Maybe native speakers can clarify the matter for me, please
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| #8 (permalink) Fri Sep 12, 2008 13:04 pm other or the other |
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I agree with vaok.
When you use "the" before "students" you know this students anymore.Because they became specific students anymore |
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| #9 (permalink) Fri Sep 12, 2008 13:05 pm other or the other |
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Hi LS,
Fine point indeed! I can run this through my head again and again and I can't pinpoint a difference. I would plump for 'have begun gossiping' if pushed.
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| #10 (permalink) Fri Sep 12, 2008 13:07 pm other or the other |
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Hi, Alan
Many thanks for your input ! |
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| #11 (permalink) Fri Sep 12, 2008 14:42 pm other or the other |
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| what about the 2nd question, friends? |
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| #12 (permalink) Fri Sep 12, 2008 15:03 pm other or the other |
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| Alan wrote: |
Hi LS,
Fine point indeed! I can run this through my head again and again and I can't pinpoint a difference. I would plump for 'have begun gossiping' if pushed.
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Can't we use both verb+ing or infinitive after the verb begin
just like the verb start? This is what most grammar books bring.
Ex: They have begun gossiping. / They have begun to gossip.
Can a native speaker help us out here, please? |
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| #13 (permalink) Fri Sep 12, 2008 15:07 pm other or the other |
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| Mister Micawber wrote: |
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Do you see that it is 5 am and that others might be sleeping? Patience is a virtue, vaok.
It is hard to answer; there are several other mistakes in your sentences. Is that the quality of the originals? As far as I can see, there are 2 answers to #1 and no reasonable answer for #2.
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I don't see why there would be no answer for #2.
As a matter of fact, I would say both Because and Since would fit, although there should be a comma, I'd say.
Can you clear that out, please? |
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| #14 (permalink) Fri Sep 12, 2008 15:16 pm other or the other |
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Can't we use both verb+ing or infinitive after the verb begin
just like the verb start? This is what most grammar books bring.
Ex: They have begun gossiping. / They have begun to gossip.
Naturally you can.... as I have said many times before "language is in the eye of the beholder"
Are we referring to a "fact" or are we referring to a "moving action" In English like any other language, sometimes you must see the "picture in your head" Do you see groups of students gossiping, or are you simply referring to in a factual way to an action brought about by another?
Native speakers such as myself and Alan speak English with "full contact feeling" as do many native speakers of any language. We feel the language and not think about the words, grammar, structure ..etc It is natural for native speakers to normally "live" the language and therefore tend towards speaking, seeing pictures and feelings. Naturally native speakers also refer to things factually when needed.
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I tell you now, it is a fact. The students have begun to gossip.
I dunno, maybe its because the students have begun gossiping about me that i feel so unsure! Naturally I can also say for this, have begun to gossip!
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2. ____ I haven't been able to be outdoors for so long I have grown so crazy about everything to do with nature.
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The sentence is poorly composed, but if one has not been outdoors, then the logic for one's fascination with nature is difficult to understand logically-- so none of the answers makes sense. I would have thought the logical answer would be 'Although'.
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