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#2 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:38 am Articles or not? (I am Treasurer of the Scottish Cycling Council, etc...) |
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. HERE are some comments. . _________________ Native English teacher at Mister Micawber's |
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#3 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:53 am Articles or not? (I am Treasurer of the Scottish Cycling Council, etc...) |
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| Great. Thanks, but I'm also interested in the comments of the members of this forum. |
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#4 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:03 am Articles or not? (I am Treasurer of the Scottish Cycling Council, etc...) |
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. Do you think they might be substantially different? . _________________ Native English teacher at Mister Micawber's |
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#5 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:43 am Articles or not? (I am Treasurer of the Scottish Cycling Council, etc...) |
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Hi,
To me the whole point of the definite article is to specify or clearly define rather than to describe. Charlie is described as father of the bride but is introduced to someone as the father of the bride.
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#6 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:55 am Articles or not? (I am Treasurer of the Scottish Cycling Council, etc...) |
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| Alan wrote: |
Hi,
To me the whole point of the definite article is to specify or clearly define rather than to describe. Charlie is described as father of the bride but is introduced to someone as the father of the bride.
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I agree. And Charlie, above can also introduce himself in the same way.
I've also heard introduction dialogues such as this one:
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Jeff: Hi, I'm Jeff. I've got two kids.
Martin: Hi, Jeff. I'm Martin, group-leader, and this is, Alan, father of four children. |
Haven't you heard that type of exchange in BrEng, Alan? |
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#7 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:21 am Articles or not? (I am Treasurer of the Scottish Cycling Council, etc...) |
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Hi,
That's my point - these are descriptions rather than definitions - used in a somewhat contrived dialogue.
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#8 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:25 am Articles or not? (I am Treasurer of the Scottish Cycling Council, etc...) |
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| Alan wrote: |
Hi,
That's my point - these are descriptions rather than definitions - used in a somewhat contrived dialogue.
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Contrived in what sense? |
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#9 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:42 am Articles or not? (I am Treasurer of the Scottish Cycling Council, etc...) |
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about articles.
Should I say: the main industries we supply are... or: Main industries we supply are?
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#10 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:12 am Articles or not? (I am Treasurer of the Scottish Cycling Council, etc...) |
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. Use 'The main industries we supply' because you are speaking of specific industries (= the ones that you supply). . _________________ Native English teacher at Mister Micawber's |
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#11 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:35 am Articles or not? (I am Treasurer of the Scottish Cycling Council, etc...) |
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thanks, Mr Micawber. I should say I was pretty sure of that, but someone told me that since "industries" is plural, so the article is not needed. I did not find this in my grammar, but I am always ready to learn.
Thanks again.
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#12 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:41 am Articles or not? (I am Treasurer of the Scottish Cycling Council, etc...) |
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| Mister Micawber wrote: |
. Use 'The main industries we supply' because you are speaking of specific industries (= the ones that you supply). . |
Or talking about main industires as a compound noun.
e.g. We need to concentrate on main businesses in the area.
Main schools we recommend are... Main businesses that consult us are.. Main businesses in this are are
Seems Ok without the article, IMO. |
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#13 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:04 pm Articles or not? (I am Treasurer of the Scottish Cycling Council, etc...) |
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Main schools we recommend are... Main businesses that consult us are.. Main businesses in this are..
Seems Ok without the article, IMO. |
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#14 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 13:29 pm Articles or not? (I am Treasurer of the Scottish Cycling Council, etc...) |
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| Mister Micawber wrote: |
| Nope, no good. |
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#15 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 15:10 pm Articles or not? (I am Treasurer of the Scottish Cycling Council, etc...) |
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Hm...
And how do you fell about these?
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Political parties Political parties are formally banned, but under the right of association there is no bar on the formation of what are in effect political organizations. Main opposition groups active internally include: (i) the Kwame Nkrumah Revolutionary Guards (KNRG --; John Ndebugre l.); (ii) the New Democratic Movement (NDM --; Kwame Karikari l.)
Source information: Date (1985-1994) Title Keesings Contemporary Archives. 5663 s-units. |
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The alphabetical notation used to designate main classes permits many of these to be included, as shown in Figure 14.5. Main classes are divided into subclasses which are further subdivided into form, place, time and subject aspects. The scheme is largely enumerative.
Source information: .Date (1985-1994) Title Organizing knowledge: an introduction to information retrieval. Rowley, Jennifer E. Aldershot: Ashgate Pub. Ltd, 1992 |
It seems to me that the article (or even "some of the" in some meanings) can indeed be ellipted in certain registers. |
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