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How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"?


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How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"? #1 (permalink) Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:48 am   How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"?
 

How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any" account for examples such as these?

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How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"? #2 (permalink) Mon Sep 15, 2008 23:30 pm   How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"?
 

What would you call the "traditional classroom rule", M?

Something like this?

1. "Some" – positive statements; polite questions.
2. "Any" – all other questions; negative statements.

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How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"? #3 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:54 am   How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"?
 

I know of no other. Do you?
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How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"? #4 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 23:09 pm   How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"?
 

What about this, as a general rule of thumb:

1. Some X: X is limited or restricted in some way.
2. Any X: X is unlimited or unrestricted.
3. Any X: applies to all.
4. Some X: applies to a part.

?

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How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"? #5 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 23:35 pm   How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"?
 

I'd prefer:

1. Some X: X is limited or restricted in some way.
2. Any X: X is unlimited or unrestricted.
3. Any X: applies to all or none.
4. Some X: applies to a part.

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How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"? #6 (permalink) Wed Sep 17, 2008 0:17 am   How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"?
 

That's interesting. What would be an example where it applied to "none"?

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How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"? #7 (permalink) Wed Sep 17, 2008 0:23 am   How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"?
 

I don't like any of Britney's songs.
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How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"? #8 (permalink) Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:33 am   How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"?
 

The "none" in that example derives from the "not" in "don't":

¬ any

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How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"? #9 (permalink) Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:17 am   How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"?
 

I think not.

"I don't like some/any of your posts."
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How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"? #10 (permalink) Wed Sep 17, 2008 13:38 pm   How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"?
 

1. I like any of your posts. (Each one is wonderful.)
2. I like some of your posts. (A few are wonderful.)

Cf.

3. I don't like any of your posts. (Each one is not wonderful.)
4. I don't like some of your posts. (Some are not wonderful.)

It's just the "not" from "don't", old thing. Nothing special.

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How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"? #11 (permalink) Wed Sep 17, 2008 13:45 pm   How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"?
 

Quote:
It's just the "not" from "don't", old thing. Nothing special.

It's just the interpretation thing, old bore.
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How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"? #12 (permalink) Wed Sep 17, 2008 23:57 pm   How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"?
 

And would your definition apply to all derivations of "some" and "any" ("anyone", "somebody", etc.)?

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How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"? #13 (permalink) Thu Sep 18, 2008 0:03 am   How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"?
 

I don't know. Shall we test it?
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How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"? #14 (permalink) Thu Sep 18, 2008 0:18 am   How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"?
 

Let's see:

1. This could be done by somebody. (At least one person is able to do it, i.e. a part of a whole.)

2. This could be done by anybody. (No restrictions; all in the group could do it.)

What do you think?

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How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"? #15 (permalink) Thu Sep 18, 2008 0:33 am   How can the traditional classroom rule for "some and any"?
 

Sounds fine. Next?
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