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"in street" or "on street"? #1 (permalink) Mon Sep 15, 2008 13:14 pm   "in street" or "on street"?
 

Hi everybody.
I've got a tricky question. How to say it grammatical: "I live in King Street" or "I live on King Street"?
The first variant is in the "English Grammar in Use" by Raymond Murphy, Cambridge University Press and the second one is in the "Preposition Practice" by L.L.Keane, Longman Publishing Group.
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"in street" or "on street"? #2 (permalink) Mon Sep 15, 2008 13:52 pm   "in street" or "on street"?
 

Hi Andrey

In American English, we would say "I live on King Street".

I think people in the UK use either "in" or "on" in such a sentence.
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"in street" or "on street"? #3 (permalink) Mon Sep 15, 2008 17:31 pm   "in street" or "on street"?
 

Hi,

Out of interest there is a song from the musical (which is American) My Fair Lady based on the play, Pygmalion by Bernard Shaw (who was Irish) where one of the main male characters sings of his infatuation for the principal female character, Eliza (who is English):

Quote:
I have often walked down this street before
But the pavement always stayed beneath my feet before
All at once am I several stories high
Knowing I'm on the street where you live


How's that for cooperation?

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"in street" or "on street"? #4 (permalink) Mon Sep 15, 2008 22:48 pm   "in street" or "on street"?
 

I'm not sure which form is more common in the north of England, but I would say that in the south of England you would usually hear e.g. "I live in King Street"; though "on" is sometimes used with "the High Street" (or, in the West Country, "Fore St"), e.g.

1a. I live on the High Street, just past the Odeon.
1b. I live on Willesden High Street, just past the Odeon.

"On" is also sometimes used with roads whose name indicates their function or character, e.g.

2. I live on the London Road.
3. I live on Chesil Rise.

I would probably also use "on" for "streets" of Roman origin, e.g.

4. I used to live on Watling Street, just outside St Albans.

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"in street" or "on street"? #5 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:39 am   "in street" or "on street"?
 

Hi,

To me 'in' is the favoured preposition associated with 'living' referring to the name of a road,lane.street or whatever. To my mind 'on' with those words suggests objects physically situated there such as buildings,premises, obstacles, roadworks and so on or indeed following along those routes. I would therefore live in Acacia Avenue, travel to work on the B456 sometimes when there were roadworks on the A1 motorway.

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"in street" or "on street"? #6 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:49 pm   "in street" or "on street"?
 

Thanks for the detailed input, MrP and Alan. :D

Returning to Andrey's question, both "in" and "on" are grammatically correct in your sentence. To sum everything up, Raymond Murphy is British, and L.L. Keane is American -- that's why they use different prepositions in that particular sentence.
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"in street" or "on street"? #7 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 23:11 pm   "in street" or "on street"?
 

Alan wrote:
I would therefore live in Acacia Avenue, travel to work on the B456 sometimes when there were roadworks on the A1 motorway.



Hello Alan,

Would you travel to work on King St, though?

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"in street" or "on street"? #8 (permalink) Wed Sep 17, 2008 0:21 am   "in street" or "on street"?
 

MrPedantic wrote:
Hello Alan,

Would you travel to work on King St, though?

MrP


You might travel to work on Avenida Rivadavia, BA. If you live and work on that street, for example.
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"in street" or "on street"? #9 (permalink) Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:52 am   "in street" or "on street"?
 

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I'm not sure which form is more common in the north of England, but I would say that in the south of England you would usually hear e.g. "I live in King Street"; though "on" is sometimes used with "the High Street" (or, in the West Country, "Fore St"), e.g.

Hi MrP,
I still can't understand why we use 'in' when there is not the article 'the', and 'on' when there is:
'I live in King Street'
'I live on the High Street'

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To me 'in' is the favoured preposition associated with 'living' referring to the name of a road,lane.street or whatever. To my mind 'on' with those words suggests objects physically situated there such as buildings,premises, obstacles, roadworks and so on or indeed following along those routes. I would therefore live in Acacia Avenue, travel to work on the B456 sometimes when there were roadworks on the A1 motorway.


Hi Alan,
Could you think of other context (other than 'living') in which 'in the street' is used?
And, I don't understand 'physically situated there such as buildings,premises, obstacles, roadworks and so on' very well. Buildings, obstacles, and roadworks are surely phisical, but what about 'premise'? I don't think it's physical...

By the way, what do you think about these: (I find them in the OALD - 7th edition)

the man (and/ or the woman) in the street
(out) on the streets/ street

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"in street" or "on street"? #10 (permalink) Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:11 am   "in street" or "on street"?
 

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Hi MrP,
I still can't understand why we use 'in' when there is not the article 'the', and 'on' when there is:
'I live in King Street'
'I live on the High Street'


The article is there because there is usually only one high street in any town. It's nothing to do with the choice of preposition. We hear both these:

I live in the High Street.
I live on the High Street.
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"in street" or "on street"? #11 (permalink) Wed Sep 17, 2008 17:39 pm   "in street" or "on street"?
 

Hello Nessie,

In BrE, if the road name contains "street", you never use "the". Thus:

1. I live in King St.
2. Drive along King St and take the first turning on the left.

The exception is High Street, where the name describes its function. Then either form is available:

3. I live in Kensington High St.
4. I've got to meet him in the high street. [Your addressee knows you mean High St Kensington.]

Capitalisation is not required, if you use the article.

If the road name contains "road", in the case of a main road whose name describes its direction, again, both forms are available. Thus:

5. I live in London Road.
6. Take the London road and turn off just before you reach the junction with the A30.

I would say that the second form tends to turn up in "travel" contexts.

In some cases, however, one form is dominant:

7. I live on/in the Old Kent Road.

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"in street" or "on street"? #12 (permalink) Wed Sep 17, 2008 21:11 pm   "in street" or "on street"?
 

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This is a situation in which American English is far less complicated: :lol:

I live on Main Street.
I live on the main street.
His shop is located on Broadway.
I parked on a side street.
There was a three-car accident on I95.
We drove to California on Route 66.
We drive on the right side of the road in the US. 8)
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"in street" or "on street"? #13 (permalink) Wed Sep 17, 2008 21:28 pm   "in street" or "on street"?
 

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Capitalisation is not required, if you use the article.


Even here?

John Walker's shop was at number 59 the High Street.
Number 76 the High Street is Barclays Bank.
Simply Mee, Number 95, The High Street, Odiham, Hampshire.
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"in street" or "on street"? #14 (permalink) Wed Sep 17, 2008 23:43 pm   "in street" or "on street"?
 

In addresses, capitalisation is required. In examples such as my earlier #4, where a proper name is replaced by a descriptive phrase, capitalisation is not required.

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"in street" or "on street"? #15 (permalink) Thu Sep 18, 2008 0:09 am   "in street" or "on street"?
 

MrPedantic wrote:
In addresses, capitalisation is required. In examples such as my earlier #4, where a proper name is replaced by a descriptive phrase, capitalisation is not required.

MrP


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