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Yankee
Yours explanations was clear.. very clear to me. I believe that I learned. I'm writting some phrases, applying what I understood from you... Please, If you have time give a look in phrase and let me know if a wrote right... tks
Phrases:
Although has been a good teacher, he hasn't been teaching well the class.
Although my car is new, it is broken.
Although I learned well speak English, I will always have brazilian accent.
Although ... etc..
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| #33 (permalink) Fri Sep 19, 2008 18:35 pm The use of "much as" |
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Molly,
I clicked in the link you sended... and was perfect to help me undestand better....
Thanks a lot.
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| #34 (permalink) Fri Sep 19, 2008 19:19 pm The use of "much as" |
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Hi Gerson,
Please note that your sentence should read 'I clicked (on) the link you sent/gave me....'
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| #35 (permalink) Fri Sep 19, 2008 19:21 pm The use of "much as" |
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Hi Gerson
You've definitely got the right idea, however I would suggest the following changes:
- Although he is a good teacher, he hasn't been teaching this class well.
- Although my car is new, it is broken.==> It would be a little more natural to say something like this:
"Although my car is new, it broke down yesterday."
- Although I learned to speak English well, I will always have a Brazilian accent.
Are you from Brazil, Gerson?
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| #36 (permalink) Fri Sep 19, 2008 21:01 pm The use of "much as" |
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Hi Torsten
I had studied preposition a lot... but I still commit mistakes :(
I wrote some phrases above, if you can give a look and correct, I'll appreciate. In fact, I really appreciate all the help you've given me.
in - The toys is in the box. / Dean lives in New York / She came in the classe after you left / He spoke to me in Portuguese.
at - ... look that car at the building. / She is at the apartment / The teacher is at a class, now./ At mathematics, I do better.
on - The picture is on the wall. / They bought a House on top the hill / she is here on business
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| #37 (permalink) Fri Sep 19, 2008 21:36 pm The use of "much as" |
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Hi ! Amy ( yankee )
I was seeing my mistakes... and analyzing very well... I'm speaking English like our Brazilian Indians speak portuguese... :)
I commit a lot of little mistakes, those are important to give a fealing of connection and natural speak to the phrase, isnt't it ?
Have you some suggestion to me, to improve my skills with those little mistakes...
About your question, Yes, I'm from Brazil, and you came to Brazil let me know, I have a nice house on a beach, (ubatuba beach), this house is in the midle o mountain, in Fact, into forest. The house has a porch, a swinpool, is very nice. And the beach, is amazing.. you can get in the ocean, and when you get out of the ocean, you can get in a small river that's close of the ocean, and take out the salt from the ocean. Actually, you can swin and drink the water, because it too clean.
Now, I say a did a lot of mistakes,,, but you make me write... what can I do... :) |
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| #38 (permalink) Fri Sep 19, 2008 22:57 pm The use of "much as" |
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Hi Gerson
I think most people have some trouble with prepositions when they learn a foreign language. I think one of the best things you can do is to spend as much time as possible listening to English and also reading. This will help you with lots of things -- including prepositions.
It's also not a bad idea to learn language in chunks. In other words, learn phrasal verbs and other common phrases as a single unit, not as individual words.
Here are some suggested changes for your last post:
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I was seeing my mistakes and analyzing them very well (as well?). I speak English like our Brazilian Indians speak Portuguese. :)
I make a lot of little mistakes. Words such as "although" are important to give a feeling of connection and of natural speech to sentences, aren't they?
Do you have some suggestions for me, to improve my skills and avoid those little mistakes?
About your question: Yes, I'm from Brazil, and if you come to Brazil, let me know. I have a nice house on a beach (Ubatuba Beach). This house is in the middle of the mountains, in fact, in the forest. The house has a porch and a swimming pool, and is very nice. And the beach is amazing. You can get/go in the ocean, and when you get out of the ocean, you can go into a small river that's close to the ocean, and wash off the salt from the ocean. Actually, you can swim in and drink the water because it so clean.
Now, I say a made a lot of mistakes, but you make me write. What can I do? :) |
Yes, there were some little mistakes, but your writing is understandable in spite of the little mistakes, and that's good!
By the way, I googled pictures of Ubatuba Beach. You're right! It's amazing! It's absolutely beautiful!
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| #39 (permalink) Sat Sep 20, 2008 0:07 am The use of "much as" |
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(With apologies to Amy and Gerson for interrupting the discussion.)
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| The expression "much as" is now a lexical item, IMO, and is synoymous with "although" |
1. Much as I like your style, I know that many people take a contrary view.
2. Little as I like your style, I know that many people take a contrary view.
If "much as" is synonymous with "although", what does "little as" mean in #2?
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| #40 (permalink) Sat Sep 20, 2008 14:37 pm The use of "much as" |
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| MrPedantic wrote: |
If "much as" is synonymous with "although", what does "little as" mean in #2?
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I think your prescriptive head is forcing you to ignore something here. I'll post my comment again:
I see "(for) much as" as a synonym, and as a unit.
Do you want to prescribe the way I should see things?
Again, I see "much as" as synoymous with "although" in meaning. I see a unit, a collocation, a chunk made up from "Much as + noun phrase/pronoun". You see it differently. Allow me to use my method of remembering, and suggesting, the connection between items of usage and I'll allow you yours. OK? Or is that too much for you to bear? |
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| #41 (permalink) Sun Sep 21, 2008 14:37 pm The use of "much as" |
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| Molly wrote: |
I think your prescriptive head is forcing you to ignore something here. I'll post my comment again:
I see "(for) much as" as a synonym, and as a unit.
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My original comment addressed this unqualified assertion:
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It's a synonym of the conjunction although Tom.
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This assertion is untrue. The structure in question is indeed concessive, which may explain why you interpret "much as" as "although"; but the sense of "though-ness" resides in "as".
The adverb or adjective that precedes "as" ("much", "little", "big", little", etc.) then qualifies the nature of the concession. This is why "much as" is not simply a synonym of "although": the "much" provides extra information, just like the "little" in "little as...".
(As well as the OED and the Cambridge dictionary that Amy mentions, Merriam Webster also supports this interpretation, under Čas.)
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| #42 (permalink) Sun Sep 21, 2008 16:03 pm The use of "much as" |
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| This assertion is untrue. The structure in question is indeed concessive, which may explain why you interpret "much as" as "although"; but the sense of "though-ness" resides in "as". |
Again, for whom? And when one has qualified one's statement, why do you insist that he/she changes his view? If the "much" in "much as" were to ever appear alone, you might be able to analyse it in your way, but we have the lexicalised unit and the combination meakes the meaning of "although", for me.
In this case, as in many others, we can see why you are indeed Mr Pedantic. Let it go, hero. |
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| #43 (permalink) Sun Sep 21, 2008 16:11 pm The use of "much as" |
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Do us an analysis of "Let's" will you MrP? One that would be useful to learners of English.
e.g.
Let's go.
Let's eat.
Let's grab the OED and the Cambridge, shall I? :wink: |
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| #44 (permalink) Mon Sep 22, 2008 22:25 pm The use of "much as" |
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| Molly wrote: |
| In this case, as in many others, we can see why you are indeed Mr Pedantic. Let it go, hero. |
You take it too personally. The structure is the matter under consideration, not your particular usage.
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| #45 (permalink) Tue Sep 23, 2008 0:07 am The use of "much as" |
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| MrPedantic wrote: |
You take it too personally. The structure is the matter under consideration, not your particular usage.
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| Search found 753 matches : personally |
Those are from this website. I guess some of them must be concerned with "personal usage", right? |
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