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It's almost undoubtedly easier said than done, but the command is to forgive. If we don't forgive, how can we expect to be forgiven? This does not mean we bend over to take it up the yin-yang again, however -- ya don't say "Yes, please bomb us again" for instance.
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| #3 (permalink) Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:25 am Forgiveness and excusing. |
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| prezbucky wrote: |
It's almost undoubtedly easier said than done, but the command is to forgive. If we don't forgive, how can we expect to be forgiven? This does not mean we bend over to take it up the yin-yang again, however -- ya don't say "Yes, please bomb us again" for instance.
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Yes, easier said than done, but I think the effort is at least worth something. Is there anything which you would definitely not forgive someone for? |
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| #4 (permalink) Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:43 am Forgiveness and excusing. |
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| Molly, you seem to be equating forgiving with excusing. They are definitely not the same thing. |
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| #5 (permalink) Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:43 am Forgiveness and excusing. |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Molly, you seem to be equating forgiving with excusing. They are definitely not the same thing. |
Are they totally independent in meaning and application?
Maybe we use a different thesaurus, Jamie.
Roget's II: The New Thesaurus
Main Entry: forgive
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: To grant forgiveness to or for.
Synonyms: condone, excuse, pardon, remit, forgive and forget
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| #6 (permalink) Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:47 am Forgiveness and excusing. |
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| Molly wrote: |
| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Molly, you seem to be equating forgiving with excusing. They are definitely not the same thing. |
Are they totally independent in meaning and application? |
They are substantially separate and are not the same thing. |
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| #7 (permalink) Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:52 am Forgiveness and excusing. |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| They are substantially separate and are not the same thing. |
So your statement about artists and intellectuals had nothing to do with forgiveness, right?
Moving on: is there anything which you would not excuse a person for? |
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| #8 (permalink) Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:55 am Forgiveness and excusing. |
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| I would excuse a child for blowing milk out his nose when he laughed at the table. |
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| #9 (permalink) Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:06 pm Forgiveness and excusing. |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| I would excuse a child for blowing milk out his nose when he laughed at the table. |
And for a thousand other schoolyard tricks, I'm sure, but the question was this: is there anything which you would not excuse a person for? |
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| #10 (permalink) Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:17 pm Forgiveness and excusing. |
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| Infidelity and betrayal. |
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| #11 (permalink) Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:20 pm Forgiveness and excusing. |
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| NinaZara wrote: |
| Infidelity and betrayal. |
So, if a partner were unfaithful to you, you'd get rid of him/her right away, right? No second chance? 8) |
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| #12 (permalink) Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:35 pm Forgiveness and excusing. |
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| No. Would you? |
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| #13 (permalink) Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:36 pm Forgiveness and excusing. |
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Drawing from the source of this topic, I'd say any sort of child abuse, sexual or physical should neither be forgiven nor excused.
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| #14 (permalink) Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:49 pm Forgiveness and excusing. |
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| Drawing from the source of this topic, I'd say any sort of child abuse, sexual or physical should neither be forgiven nor excused. |
How about when the attacker is mentally disabled or mentally ill? |
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| #15 (permalink) Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:49 pm Forgiveness and excusing. |
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| No. Would you? |
Maybe. We all make mistakes. :oops: |
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