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Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?' #1 (permalink) Tue Sep 23, 2008 18:26 pm   Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?'
 

Hi,

In tag question, we can use 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?', or the like (without changing the idea), can't we?
And what I wonder is if the use of 'right?' instead of other normal ways of tag questions make it sound more informal and sometimes not very polite.

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'right?' #2 (permalink) Tue Sep 23, 2008 18:58 pm   'right?'
 

Hi Nessie

Tag questions can be used for a variety of reasons. One of the most common uses of a tag question is to elicit confirmation of or agreement with what has just been said. For that sort of tag, you can use "right" instead. Replacing a negative tag with "right" might be a bit more common than replacing a positive tag with "right".

I would say that "right" would tend to sound more informal, but not necessarily impolite.
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Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?' #3 (permalink) Thu Oct 02, 2008 18:01 pm   Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?'
 

Hi Amy,
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One of the most common uses of a tag question is to elicit confirmation of or agreement with what has just been said

Could you tell me some other usages of tag question for which we can't use 'right'?

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Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?' #4 (permalink) Thu Oct 02, 2008 21:06 pm   Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?'
 

Hi Nessie

Here are some example sentences with tags which cannot be replaced by the word "right":

- Open the window, will you? (request)
- Watch what you're doing, will you! (irritation)
- Oh, so you think I'm wrong, do you? (confrontational)
- A: I hate your cooking. B: Oh, you do, do you? Then you can just cook for yourself!
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Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?' #5 (permalink) Thu Oct 02, 2008 23:21 pm   Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?'
 

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Watch what you're doing, will you! (irritation)


I think you'll find that the version with "right" is heard in BrEng.

Quote:
Oh, so you think I'm wrong, do you? (confrontational)


Again, I see no problem in using "right" there. I've heard it often enough.

e.g. from hazy memory:

Patient to glum faced doctor who is looking at a set of X-rays: Er, there's nothing wrong, right, doctor?

Mother confronted at her door by a policeman who is asking for her daughter: She's done something wrong, right?
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Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?' #6 (permalink) Fri Oct 03, 2008 0:08 am   Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?'
 

Hello Nessie,

nessie wrote:
And what I wonder is if the use of 'right?' instead of other normal ways of tag questions make it sound more informal and sometimes not very polite.



In BrE, the tag "right?" tends to be favoured by the slightly less sophisticated user. If the speaker is asking you to settle a genuine doubt, it isn't necessarily impolite; but elsewhere, it can sound a little "cocky".

(The "impoliteness" probably resides in the implication that the addressee will agree with the speaker.)

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Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?' #7 (permalink) Fri Oct 03, 2008 0:15 am   Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?'
 

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In BrE, the tag "right?" tends to be favoured by the slightly less sophisticated user.


I guess there must be a lot of slightly less sophisticated users in Britain, because I've heard that tag used all over Britain, and at all levels of society.

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(The "impoliteness" probably resides in the implication that the addressee will agree with the speaker.)


But isn't there also that problem with many other tags and doesn't it often depend on the idea that is being expressed?

There are too many blacks around here, aren't there/don't you think/right?

The weather's lovely today, isn't it/don't you think/right?


I don't think I'd accuse the latter speaker of impoliteness just because he wanted me to agree with him. Would you?
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Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?' #8 (permalink) Fri Oct 03, 2008 0:49 am   Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?'
 

Molly wrote:
I guess there must be a lot of slightly less sophisticated users in Britain, because I've heard that tag used all over Britain, and at all levels of society
Imagine that! I could swear you said you were a Nigerian woman living in Spain and also a non-native speaker of English. Personally, I don't believe a word you've said here. Sorry, but I'd prefer to wait for information from a native speaker of British English.
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Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?' #9 (permalink) Fri Oct 03, 2008 0:58 am   Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?'
 

1. There are too many blacks round here, right?

— a distinctly aggressive statement. The speaker probably has his nose and halitosis thrust in my face.

2. There are too many blacks round here, aren't there?

— a distinctly languid statement. The speaker is probably reclining in his corner of the taxi I was unwise enough to share.

3. The weather's lovely today, right?

— a distinctly unidiomatic statement. The speaker has combined a phrase from his ESL textbook with a "hazy memory" of M's unsound advice in the ET "tags" thread.

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Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?' #10 (permalink) Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:01 am   Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?'
 

MrP unwilling to back up his rather poorly thought out statement here:

Quote:
(The "impoliteness" probably resides in the implication that the addressee will agree with the speaker.)


Two friends, on the way to a Sunday league football match:

    Dim: We're going to trash 'em today, right?

    Sum: I find your statement and question rather impolite. Why do you assume I will agree with you?

It's not the ", right?" that is "wrong", but some of the contexts it's found in. "Context" there includes the relationship between the speakers.
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Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?' #11 (permalink) Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:48 am   Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?'
 

As a, self-appointed, more sophisticated user, MrP wants to tell us that he doesn't like people using the question tag "right" around him. :wink:

Just look at how many less unsophisticated Brits there are:

BNC

The search , right ? = 524 per 1 million words.
The search , does n't [pn*] ? = 310 per 1 million words.
The search , did n't [pn*] ? = 661 per 1 million words
The search , was n't [pn*] ? = 395 per 1 million words
The search , do n't you ? = 581 per 1 million words

Mind, tops is , IS N'T IT ? with a score of 1306 per 1 million words. Now, if MrP is right on "right", I'm sure that we cannot find many examples where, when using "isn't it?", 'The "impoliteness" probably resides in the implication that the addressee will agree with the speaker.', right?

So what is MrP telling us? He seems to be telling us that one of the functions of the tag "right?" is to ask "Am I right?", i.e. to allow the speaker to ask the listener to agree with him/her. Is that news to anyone? Many questions tags have the same function, especially when used with falling intonation.
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Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?' #12 (permalink) Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:27 am   Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?'
 

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but I'd prefer to wait for information from a native speaker of British English.


Great, hope you find one. I live with one, have a mother-in-law who is one, work with many who are so, and have lived and studied in Britain. I guess my info has some credibility, right?
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Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?' #13 (permalink) Fri Oct 03, 2008 22:54 pm   Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?'
 

To tell a student that "right?" does not have an impolite air in BrE is slightly misleading.

In an interview, for instance, or some other situation where politeness was important, even the people who otherwise use the tag would probably avoid it.

It's possible though that you've confused the terminal "(am I) right?" tag with the "right" which occurs in the middle of an utterance, and asks for reassurance that the speaker is on the right track.

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Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?' #14 (permalink) Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:28 am   Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?'
 

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To tell a student that "right?" does not have an impolite air in BrE is slightly misleading.


I agree, but the telling them the opposite can also be misleading. Unqualified advice is often incorrect advice. One should instead look at real examples in use. There are many situations where that tag is not used or read impolitely.

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It's possible though that you've confused the terminal "(am I) right?" tag with the "right" which occurs in the middle of an utterance, and asks for reassurance that the speaker is on the right track.


No confusion at all. See my BNC post above, and take note that I said this "Many questions tags have the same function, especially when used with falling intonation."

It is possible that you've taken the prescritivists' folk-view on politeness here. That view is often expressed in blanket-covering terms about language use and manners.
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Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?' #15 (permalink) Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:35 am   Usage of 'right?' to replace 'isn't it?' or 'don't they?'
 

Molly wrote:
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To tell a student that "right?" does not have an impolite air in BrE is slightly misleading.


I agree



Then all is well.

To return to your "friends" example:

Molly wrote:
"Context" there includes the relationship between the speakers.



Certainly the right to take umbrage may be waived, in certain kinds of relationship; sometimes it is impolite to be polite.

But that waiver represents a suspension of the norm: when you eventually fall out with your friend, your chirpy "right" will begin to seem disagreeably "cocky", "provocative", "peremptory", etc.

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