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| No, and we won't. Arguably the most internally violent ethnic group in our country's history has been the Italian/Sicilian contingent -- honestly -- and we've never imposed that on them. |
What does "ethnic group" mean in terms of the USA? You're all ethnics, aren't you? :wink: |
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| #18 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:07 am Should Muslims in the USA be obliged to carry ID cards marked "Muslim"? |
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I guess I used it to mean "ancestral geographic origin". hehe
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| #19 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:10 am Should Muslims in the USA be obliged to carry ID cards marked "Muslim"? |
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For instance, if you were a US citizen you'd be referred to as Lunar-American.
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| #20 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:09 am Should Muslims in the USA be obliged to carry ID cards marked "Muslim"? |
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| prezbucky wrote: |
| I guess I used it to mean "ancestral geographic origin". hehe |
Everyone in the USA, then. :lol: |
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| #21 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 13:27 pm Should Muslims in the USA be obliged to carry ID cards marked "Muslim"? |
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To those who are looking to Islam and Muslims as terror and bad religion . Many Muslims lived in US to study or to earn maney . I think you do not know somethimng about Muslims or their religion just you are judge it from the picture that you are see it from the T.V . Did you deal with a muslim ? Did you live in A muslim country ? I am sure you do not .. Did you ask yourselves When Isreal troops kill those people in Palstanians is not illegal ? American troops In Iraq, Afganstan and soo on . This is the racism itself . Did you ask yourselves why about400 Jwish were absent when two trade centers blow up ? Yes , there are many terror gruops used the name of Islam to fight or to distroy the nations . We reject the whole kinds and types of those actions . We Muslims got tired from the terrorisms actions . Our religion rejects thier doing . So Muslims are like any human in this world has a soul . So I do not think he has to carry ID . I am a muslim And I will be ready and free to any clearification or question about us . Soon I will give you many verses From the Quraan that reject these actions .
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| #22 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 13:58 pm Should Muslims in the USA be obliged to carry ID cards marked "Muslim"? |
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| shin wrote: |
| Did you deal with a muslim ? |
Many. Every day.
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| When Isreal troops kill those people in Palstanians is not illegal ? American troops In Iraq, Afganstan and soo on . |
The Muslims in those places could have greatly reduced the death of innocent people by (1) wearing uniforms, as legitimate soldiers do, and (2) not shooting from civilian homes and other places where civilians gather. The fact is that they are using an old strategy. They want civilians to die, because their deaths can be used for propaganda purposes. This is why they shoot rockets from the roofs of civilian houses and in other ways make civilians (especially Christian civilians) into targets.
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| This is the racism itself . |
Last I knew, Muslims were not a race. It's interesting that Muslims claim their religion to be blind to race, but the second someone criticizes it, they claim it's racism.
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| Did you ask yourselves why about400 Jwish were absent when two trade centers blow up ? |
Sorry, that story is false. Muslims are so ashamed of the horrible acts that their own coreligionists commit that they blame them on someone else, usually "The Jews". But every one of those guys in the planes who carried out the attacks was Muslim, mostly from Saudi Arabia.
Read about the Jews who died in the 9/11 attacks here:
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/14-260933.html
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| Yes , there are many terror gruops used the name of Islam to fight or to distroy the nations . We reject the whole kinds and types of those actions . |
Muslims very seldom condemn publicly the terrorist acts of their own people. They are generally either silent about them, or they say, "Yes, it is sad that it happened, BUT..." and then proceed to justify them. In other cases, as with the 9/11 attacks, they make up some crazy story that claims -- against all evidence -- that "The Jews" were the real culprits.
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| Soon I will give you many verses From the Quraan that reject these actions . |
Muhammed's own example encourages Muslims to be violent against non-Muslims. He often launched attacks against non-Muslims just because of their religion. He put murder contracts out on various people just for doing things as silly as writing funny poems about him. He was basically a gangster.
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah...nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection." |
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| #23 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 14:14 pm Should Muslims in the USA be obliged to carry ID cards marked "Muslim"? |
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| Jami behave yourself and don't talk like this about someone you don't know or Muslims will start saying bad words about yours and sure you don't want this to happen and try not to take a piece to see and speak and forget the whole thing.I think you need to know yourself for am sure we are not dealing with a political scientist or something so please we are here to discuss things and not to fight |
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| #24 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 15:24 pm Should Muslims in the USA be obliged to carry ID cards marked "Muslim"? |
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| Dear Jami . I read your reply . First I am very proud that I am a muslim . I respect your idea about us . I want to explain something . You said we silent about those people . I disagree with you . Look For Example :Saudi Arabia sufered from the terrorism many times . It fights them all the time and finally escalated them . As you know Jam I think this phenomenon " terrorism " appeared after Russia and Afganistan war . you know that Russia was strongest than America so when this war burn America seized the chance to distroy it So America helped If you know What you call it AlQaaeda And armed Osama bin ladin . After Russia calapsed The Magic returned against the Magican . second , Muhammed himself refuses to kill any body either Non beleievers . and there are many evidance . You said that you deal with Muslims every day , Truthfully , Are not they kind ? Did they bother you noise you ? Did you sure that you know what the above verse that you wrote mean ? i am not fighting you , I respect you a lot even I do not know you . You believe that there are many secrt agencies that want to burn the fire between the nations and religions using the name of Islam and they are away to be Muslims . Those in the plane were not Muslims they were some folish . Allah said " Preach to Allah's way by the wisdom and good behave " I want to write many things to you but I am going to sent them to your email soon . Finally , I still respect you even what you said in the wrong way about The massenger of Allah to the whole human and us . This what Muhammed taught me . |
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| #25 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 15:36 pm Should Muslims in the USA be obliged to carry ID cards marked "Muslim"? |
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| Muslims very seldom condemn publicly the terrorist acts of their own people. They are generally either silent about them, or they say, "Yes, it is sad that it happened, BUT..." and then proceed to justify them. |
In think Jamie is a victim of either rampant myopia or wishful thinking - or maybe even -pssst - censorship. Here, and in many places, Muslims are speaking out against terror:
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We're not getting all the news from the media, and we're sure not hearing it from the plethora of Islamophobic sites online. Talk radio suppresses this news, too. There are Islamic sites and Islamic associations, religious and political leaders that strongly condemn terrorism and violence, that are strongly allied with the US in the war on terror, but not enough people know this. This site will bring you that news.
http://revjimsutter.blogspot.com/2006/10/muslims-speak-out-against-terrorism.html
One such comment form that site:
"HM King Abdullah: Well, we do have contacts internationally. I think that Jordan will look beyond its borders to assist in bringing these people to justice. But more importantly how you take these people down is ideologically. This is not a battle between a Jordanian-born or Jordan or different countries. This is an ideological struggle between extremist Muslims that have this perverse view of Islam against the rest of us moderate Muslims."
If Jamie can't Google, we'll have to help him:
http://www.twocircles.net/2008jun01/indias_islamic_scholars_issue_fatwa_against_terrorism.html
http://www.beliefnet.com/gallery/terrorist.html
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shin wrote:
Did you deal with a muslim ?
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Shin, you should know that Jamie has a contact for every season, so to speak. If you are debating:
Chinese, Cuban/Nigerian, French, Japanese, Mexican, Hindu, Muslim, Zoroastrian, Animist, Ex-communist, (even) Boy Scouts, and so on, politics and policies, he'll have a Chinese, Cuban/Nigerian, French, Japanese, Mexican, Hindu, Muslim, Zoroastrian, Animist, Ex-communist, (even) Boy Scouts, and so on, friend or relative who knows "the truth", a friend who can deny your stance and make you look like a fool, naive, and/or a liar. Jamie has friends in every corner, don't you know?
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| #26 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 16:07 pm Should Muslims in the USA be obliged to carry ID cards marked "Muslim"? |
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I didn't think there were any zoroastrians left. hehe
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| #27 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 16:11 pm Should Muslims in the USA be obliged to carry ID cards marked "Muslim"? |
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| I didn't think there were any zoroastrians left. hehe |
Just like you think the USA only imports tapas and wine from Spain , right? :wink: I'll be calling you Jamie soon. :wink:
Was this written by ghosts?
http://www.geocities.com/zoroastrianismtoday/main.htm |
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| #28 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 16:13 pm Should Muslims in the USA be obliged to carry ID cards marked "Muslim"? |
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Muslims are speaking out, even Muslim comedians:
"The Qur'an teaches human beings to ... 'stand up as witnesses for God,' even if it be against themselves. Being a witness for God, to me, includes standing up against injustice, oppression, and tyranny--whatever the form, and whoever the perpetrators ... "
http://www.beliefnet.com/gallery/terrorist.html?pgIndex=1
And is the first part of this vid for Jamie?
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| #29 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 16:24 pm Should Muslims in the USA be obliged to carry ID cards marked "Muslim"? |
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don't forget Spanish guitars and soccer apparel -- Spain also sends us those things. hehe
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| #30 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 21:43 pm Should Muslims in the USA be obliged to carry ID cards marked "Muslim"? |
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| prezbucky wrote: |
| don't forget Spanish guitars and soccer apparel -- Spain also sends us those things. hehe |
They probably come from China. :wink: |
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