Should Muslims in the USA be obliged to carry ID cards marked "Muslim"?

[Molly]

What's your view on the above question and the message in this text extract?

[Jamie (K)]

Of course they shouldn't, and those ID cards will never be issued. There is no law in the US requiring people to carry ID, and no national ID card, and people furiously resist the imposition of both. The only thing they could do would be to start putting people's religion on their state driver's license, and that would be considered ridiculous. Many people change their religion here, and the US isn't like a Muslim country, where converts have to apply for religious reclassification.

Besides, most Muslims in the US are here to escape that kind of oppression, not to blow up the country, so the general public would object to that kind of discrimination against people who mean no harm, especially if it meant everybody's religion would be listed on their ID, which it would.

Just because some closet fascist fantasizes, something that doesn't mean it can ever happen.

[Molly]

[Waelsaeed]

why asking for something Muslim countries didn't do it .I think this can affect the people who are not Muslims and live in Muslim countries

[Molly]

[Jamie (K)]

Egypt requires Muslims and Christians to carry identity cards stating their religion. And that's not all:

http://www.copts.com/english1/index.php/2003/12/03/christian-woman-tortured-for-helping-converts-change-their-id-cards/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019976.php

[Waelsaeed]

why you are always looking for the bad cases to show while you are only giving one case , this doesn't mean that this happen every day in Egypt or any other Arabic countries.why don't you think about Muslim children who has been killed and are now being killed while we are talking.please for just a minute tell something true about not Muslims who kill Muslims with cold blood.Don't talk about one women and put your hand in your ears when we talk about thousands of women and hundreds of children.
You said that Egypt requires both Muslims and Christians to carry identify cards but the topic says that USA will require only Muslims to have one.Think about and as we here do just forget what is my religion and remember who I am.

[Jamie (K)]

I assure you that the USA will NOT require Muslims to carry religious identity cards. It's not even being considered, and it would be highly illegal.

Molly just showed the personal suggestion of an individual about that, and he's got no say in government policy, far from it. He can say anything he wants, because our media are not state controlled, but just because it appears on a website, it doesn't mean that the government has anything to do with it.

You've definitely got a problem with religious freedom in Egypt, because I get students every semester who are refugees from there, and they tell me their stories. It's more than a matter of just one case, because the reports of human rights agencies are full of them, and it's typical behavior among Arabs to simply turn around and point at some other problem, as if their countrymen's misbehavior is okay.

When Muslim countries give the same religious freedom to Christians and Jews that the US gives to Muslims, then we can talk.

Meanwhile, as an Egyptian, you can try explaining these TV shows to me:

http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=924wmv&ak=null

http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1184wmv&ak=null

Doesn't sound civilized to me.

[Waelsaeed]

When Muslim countries give the same religious freedom to Christians and Jews that the US gives to Muslims, then we can talk.
What freedom you talk about and why you keep only talking about USA.I visited USA before and have many American friends and they never speak about religion and only some who are looking for troubles do speak about religious things.Tell me why did you ignore all what I said about Muslims who are killed in many places on the earth just because they are Muslims.Just now you care about human rights and what about the reports human rights gives every day about how muslims are killed and suffer.My dear friend I don't have any problems with religious freedom in Egypt and once again don't give an opinion with a religious view.Also if you are looking for something to show others about how Arabic deals with non Muslims you can visit CNN and see what is happening with Muslims and how many are killed evryday

[Jamie (K)]

I was not the one who started this discussion. Molly pointed to a posting on a forum by some unknown person who merely suggested that he would like the US to issue ID cards to Muslims, and there you are talking as if this were really going to happen. It won't.

I think the reason you don't have problems with religious freedom in Egypt is that you are probably Muslim.

You could also be lying. Muslim Egyptians have even told me that there has never been slavery in the whole history of Egypt, which of course is a ridiculous lie.

[Waelsaeed]

Again you ignored all what I said and keep only talking about Egypt,not only now but also 1000 years ago.I am not lying and think this not a good thing to say while I didn't say any thing wrong about you.Anyway it seems that you need to know how to discuss something with others and not to give your opinion and not to listen.
thanks for all the ridiculous things you keep talking about and think that all what you have is something in your mind which you want all people to believe

[Molly]

[Molly]

[Molly]

[Molly]

And, finally, this:

"Private discrimination was a somewhat more common phenomenon. The Zogby figures indicate that 40% of American Muslim respondents have personally experienced anti-Muslim discrimination since the 9-11 attacks, and 57% know friends or family who have experienced discrimination, with most of such incidents reported in a work, school, or neighborhood setting."

http://www.ces.fas.harvard.edu/conferences/muslims/Heymann.pdf

Of course, Jamie will come up with a bunch of Muslims friends who claim that they have never experienced discrimination in the USA.