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#2 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 0:52 am Islam and war |
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walaa89, thanks for your clear explanation. I think I heard this clarifying information about Jihad before from my friends here... Since most of the people here in Indonesia are muslim, so I get to know a bit about this issue... Too bad nowadays people tend to associate the word "jihad" negatively. I guess they just can't help the fact that all the terrorism action are tagging their misconduct with this word. |
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#3 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 0:55 am Islam and war |
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True but why do many, who claim themselves Muslims, still do the opposite?
Sometimes, I do wonder whether Osama has ever doubted his beliefs. I mean, he killed so many innocent people in the name of religion. Does he even fear God? |
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#4 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:24 am Islam and war |
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| I think what Osama did can't be associated with the religion... I always like to think that he has his own perception and that he just misused Islam to find some kind of justification for his malevolent act... |
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#5 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:09 am Islam and war |
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Demented is more like it.
And I have always thought what they are doing has a lot to do with culture. It has something to do with them thinking that Islam is the only "true" religion on earth and their need to impose things on others. I don't know whether you notice this, but Islam, or more like Muslims, are highly influenced by their culture. Muslim Malay for example, generally, think eating pork is more disgusting than missing one's prayer, which is totally the opposite.
Then also, when I was living in Malaysia, I was told that the Shi'ite is very extreme and all they want is to get rid not only the non-Muslims but also the Sunnis. The media isn't helping either, because that is the only thing we hear and see they do. But to my surprise, here, in Japan, I met some Shi'ite who are just like me and my family, normal people. That was really an eye opening experience.
Funnily enough, I never understood why those extreme Shi'ite was supposed to justify the acts of some Sunnis. |
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#6 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:03 am Islam and war |
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I've seen the movie Don't mess with the Zohan. Very funny, talking about war and peace in the middle east. Not fit for youngsters under 18 years old, lol |
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#7 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:41 am Islam and war |
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| NinaZara wrote: |
True but why do many, who claim themselves Muslims, still do the opposite?
Sometimes, I do wonder whether Osama has ever doubted his beliefs. I mean, he killed so many innocent people in the name of religion. Does he even fear God? |
Sometimes, I do wonder whether Bosh has ever doubted his beliefs. I mean, he killed so many innocent people in the name of terrorism and democracy . Does he even fear God? |
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#8 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:56 am Islam and war |
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| waelsaeed wrote: |
| NinaZara wrote: |
True but why do many, who claim themselves Muslims, still do the opposite?
Sometimes, I do wonder whether Osama has ever doubted his beliefs. I mean, he killed so many innocent people in the name of religion. Does he even fear God? |
Sometimes, I do wonder whether Bosh has ever doubted his beliefs. I mean, he killed so many innocent people in the name of terrorism and democracy . Does he even fear God? |
Honestly, I do not regard your statement as genuine as mine. Your reaction is certainly a sarcastic remark to somehow reveal the truth about how America is oppressing the Muslim community. In fact, from your statement I do believe that you believe that the act of terrorism committed by the Muslims is justified merely by some flaws in America's foreign policy.
I believe, Muslims must first and foremost, deal with many contentious issues within themselves, particularly in gender inequality and extremism, among others. I also believe that Muslims must reserve their right to criticize the West in their flawed policy but they must not use this to cover their own transgression.
Islam is not against democracy and peace is paramount in Islam. Terrorism is completely contradictory to this. Until this hysteria against the West is dealt with, Islam will always be viewed as religion of terrorists. |
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#9 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:17 am Islam and war |
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Bosh? Did you mean President Bush?
In defense:
During the US Revolutionary War -- which was, coincidentally, also an attempt to free a people from a tyrant they did not wish to suffer under any longer -- the French helped us. Are the French pissed on today for helping us gain our freedom from GB?
We too helped to remove a tyrant who persecuted, tortured or killed most of his subjects. So what should we have done, left Saddam in power?
Freedom requires sacrifice. We have bled, Brits have bled, peaceful Iraqis and others have bled to secure freedom, TRUE democratic freedom, for Iraq. Saddam murdered his own people. He served his band of militant Tikriti Sunnis, comprising maybe 3% of Iraq's population. He could not be deposed from within, and he wasn't going to step down on account of a strongly worded letter from the UN. His followers, who don't want to lose their power and would let their guns talk rather than their voices and votes, are culpable for this war. They are the reason we're still in Iraq. _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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#10 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:14 am Islam and war |
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| Thanks for that very interesting explanation of "Jihad", walaa89. |
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#11 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:17 am Islam and war |
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| True but why do many, who claim themselves Muslims, still do the opposite? |
Why do many who claim themselves Christians commit acts against the word of God and the teachings of Christ? Human beings are hypocrites and egoistic at times.
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| Sometimes, I do wonder whether Bush has ever doubted his beliefs. I mean, he killed so many innocent people in the name of terrorism and democracy . Does he even fear God? |
Good question. |
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#12 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:22 am Islam and war |
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| Molly wrote: |
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| True but why do many, who claim themselves Muslims, still do the opposite? |
Why do many who claim themselves Christians commit acts against the word of God and the teachings of Christ? Human beings are hypocrites and egoistic at times.
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Good point. |
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#13 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:26 am Islam and war |
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| Until this hysteria against the West is dealt with, Islam will always be viewed as religion of terrorists. |
Well, I guess if these people had more of a mention in the international press, we might begin to think that Christianity is a religion of terrorists:
The Army of God, The Lambs of Christ, Clayton Waagner, Mike Bray, James Kopp, Paul Jennings Hill and Eric Robert Rudolph, etc. |
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#14 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:36 am Islam and war |
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| During the US Revolutionary War -- which was, coincidentally, also an attempt to free a people from a tyrant they did not wish to suffer under any longer |
A certain percentage of that people, right?
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| We too helped to remove a tyrant who persecuted, tortured or killed most of his subjects. |
Don't forget that you also helped put him were he could do such things.
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| They are the reason we're still in Iraq. |
You missed the one that talks about oil. |
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#15 (permalink) Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:51 am Islam and war |
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Feeling rage and contempt is normal or perhaps fair in my opinion, but choosing to act on it isn't.
And I wish AOG hadn't put all those ghastly pictures of dead babies on their website. If instilling hatred towards targeted group was their intention, well I think they are sick to even being able to stomach them. |
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