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Usage of past tense to mean future or present #1 (permalink) Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:27 am   Usage of past tense to mean future or present
 

Hey,

How is it that we use past tense when we mean future or present in sentences like:

" I'd prefer it if you left number 3 until last."
" I'd rather you didn't use more than 150 words in your summary."
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Usage of past tense to mean future or present #2 (permalink) Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:32 am   Usage of past tense to mean future or present
 

The past tense does not only refer to past time.

The past simple, for example, is used for:

TIME - I lived in London during the sixties.
"POLITENESS" - Did you want to try that jacket on, madam?
POSSIBILTY - Could you come and see me tomorrow? I have something to tell you.

Your examples would fit into the "politeness" category. Making suggestions, is often accompanied by the past tense.
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Usage of past tense to mean future or present #3 (permalink) Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:08 am   Usage of past tense to mean future or present
 

Hi Jraou,

This isn't really a past tense but more an example of the 'unreal past' or subjunctive. In English the past indicative and subjunctive look the same (except in the case of the verb 'be' ). Possibly this can be explained as follows:
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I'd prefer it if you left number 3 until last
= I'd prefer it that you should leave ...You might care to read some material I've written on the subjunctive for the site here:http://www.english-test.net/lessons/15/index.html

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Usage of past tense to mean future or present #4 (permalink) Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:19 am   Usage of past tense to mean future or present
 

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This isn't really a past tense but more an example of the 'unreal past' or subjunctive.


So would you say that my explanation does not fit, here?
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Usage of past tense to mean future or present #5 (permalink) Wed Oct 08, 2008 23:25 pm   Usage of past tense to mean future or present
 

The subjunctive mood in the first sentence may be easier to perceive in this approximate alternative:

1. I'd prefer it if you were to leave number 3 until last.

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