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Hi Molly
Would you say that "I'd've" is more commonly used in spoken English or in written English? Before you go traipsing off to the corpora, decide what your native-speaker gut tells you first.
After that, check out the results in both the BNC and COCA. What do you make of the results? How accurate do you think these corpora results are? 
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| Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:16 am Who wrote this? vs Who did write this? |
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| Quote: | | Before you go traipsing off to the corpora, decide what your native-speaker gut tells you first. |
Well, I don't have one of those, even though your shepherd tells you I have. So...
| Quote: | | Would you say that "I'd've" is more commonly used in spoken English or in written English? |
What's the point of that question?
| Quote: | | How accurate do you think these corpora results are? |
Based on? Compared with? |
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| Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:20 am Who wrote this? vs Who did write this? |
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| Ralf wrote: | | Very convincing. If you google 'fysiks' you get 10,100 hits. |
I only got this:
1,070 English pages for fysiks.
What did I do wrong? |
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| Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:00 am Who wrote this? vs Who did write this? |
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| Quote: | | Results 1 - 10 of about 10,500 for fysiks. (0.14 seconds) |
You must have done something wrong.
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| Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:38 am Who wrote this? vs Who did write this? |
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| Skrej wrote: | | You must have done something wrong. |
Hm, but what? |
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| Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:41 am Who wrote this? vs Who did write this? |
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M. has used Advanced Search and set the language to English.
But his Google totals are in any case misleading: those results include cached versions of the same page, versions in user profiles, quotes from one page to another, etc.
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| Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:48 am Who wrote this? vs Who did write this? |
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| Quote: | | After that, check out the results in both the BNC and COCA. What do you make of the results? How accurate do you think these corpora results are? |
BNC
I 'd 've
Spoken register 31
Fiction register 18
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COCA
Spoken register 1
Fiction register 45
What do you think, Amy?
And what do you think of these result from the COCA and the BNC?
I 'd have [v?n]
COCA - 847
BNC - 605
So, combining those with these:
Spoken register 31
Spoken register 1
Could we begin to ask whether AmEng speakers prefer the part contracted form "I'd have + verb" to the fully contracted form "I'd've". |
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| Wed Oct 15, 2008 14:33 pm Who wrote this? vs Who did write this? |
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I am not a native speaker.
"Who wrote this?" is the default form or commonly used form.
But why is an auxiliary verb NOT used in "Who wrote this?" ? Could you please give me a link explaining this type of questions?
Which one is correct?
Who installed this? / Who did install this? or what is another default or correct structure of this question? |
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| Wed Oct 15, 2008 14:48 pm Who wrote this? vs Who did write this? |
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| Quote: | | those results include cached versions of the same page, versions in user profiles, quotes from one page to another, etc. |
Isn't it the same with Ralf's 10,500 hits?
| Quote: | | M. has used Advanced Search and set the language to English. |
Why would I need to search for any other language? |
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| Wed Oct 15, 2008 14:55 pm Who wrote this? vs Who did write this? |
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| v999 wrote: | Which one is correct?
Who installed this? / Who did install this? or what is another default or correct structure of this question? |
Enjoy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auxiliary_verb#Dummy |
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| Thu Oct 16, 2008 23:30 pm Who wrote this? vs Who did write this? |
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| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | M. has used Advanced Search and set the language to English. |
Why would I need to search for any other language? |
Do you mean you don't understand the purpose of that "language" setting?
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| Thu Oct 16, 2008 23:38 pm Who wrote this? vs Who did write this? |
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| Quote: | | Do you mean you don't understand the purpose of that "language" setting? |
Let's go slowly on this one.
Ralf wrote this is reply to my Google findings:
| Quote: | | Very convincing. If you google 'fysiks' you get 10,100 hits. But you should'nt (276,000 hits) use it in your classroom unless you feel like advocating fry fysiks - free physics. |
What would you say was his purpose in replying that way? |
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