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#2 (permalink) Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:33 am Do you like Medieval Literature? |
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I like the Icelandic sagas, because they show such interesting details about how people lived in Norse times. Two Vikings are having a death duel with swords. One of them gets thirsty, so the other one stops fighting and lets him get a drink of water. They rest up a bit and talk, and after that they start trying to kill each other again.
I also like medieval stories for the same reason. A knight somehow gets into a predicament where he has to sleep in the same bed with a beautiful (married) queen. The author demonstrates the knight's superior masculinity by the fact that he resisted his masculine urges all night and never touched the queen. This is just the opposite of what a modern author would consider proof of masculinity. |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#3 (permalink) Tue Dec 23, 2008 14:57 pm Do you like Medieval Literature? |
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| Lietarture was tied down by the Church in Medieval Times. It was based solely on religion. It was until the Renaissance that literature dispensed with the religious control. That's why I think Modern Lietarture is much better. At the same time, I do not beleive that Middle Ages should be called Dark Ages as far as literature is concerned. For the simple reason that some great literary works were written in that period. |
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#4 (permalink) Wed Dec 24, 2008 0:53 am Do you like Medieval Literature? |
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Well, first of all, thank you for replies.
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| Lietarture was tied down by the Church in Medieval Times. |
Dear friend, I can't agree with you. Of course, Medieval Literature somehow was under the impact of the Christianity, but still a number of masterpieces of pagan origin left. Well, for example, Beowulf (anglo-saxon epic poem) is quite non-cristian. Yes, it has some mentioning about God (Christian God), but only because it was manuscripted by a monk. Still, is totally obvious that it's of non-christian, but of pagan times origin. The same can be said about King's Arthurs Legend etc.
So, we just should read more attentive and to keep in mind that then the Church tried to take for her own the Things that didn't actually belong to her. :D |
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#5 (permalink) Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:29 am Do you like Medieval Literature? |
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I cannot disagree with you Helga. Actually, I like your sentence
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| Yes, it has some mentioning about God (Christian God), but only because it was manuscripted by a monk. |
because after the adoption of Christianity (Christianity of the Church of Rome), the classical literature became suspect. And there were some attempts ro read some of the works as if they are relevant to Christian faith. I think this was the reason behind the mentioning of God in Beowulf and in other works like Virgril's ('70-19BC' he is a famous Latin poet) Fourth Eclogue and Aeneid. I do believe that they were some outstanding pieces. That's why I do not agree with those who call it Dark Ages as far as literature is concerned. |
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#6 (permalink) Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:47 am Do you like Medieval Literature? |
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| because after the adoption of Christianity (Christianity of the Church of Rome), the classical literature became suspect. |
That's it! You're quite all right! And I suppose that the monk wanted to save something from the pagan heritage. Not only because
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| there were some attempts ro read some of the works as if they are relevant to Christian faith. |
May be it was dear to him and he wanted to save this wonderfull masterpiece by adding some Christian details in order to prevent it from suspicion... |
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#7 (permalink) Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:48 am Do you like Medieval Literature? |
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Considering the great flowering of literature that occurred in the medieval period -- all the more amazing, considering that they had no printing presses -- I think it would be hard to say that the literary world was oppressed by the Church at that time. And religious influence in literature is not necessarily bad. Remember that the literature of chivalry existed mainly for the purpose of encouraging civilized behavior among the warring classes.
The Church apparently even allowed vulgar, blasphemous literature to be published, as can be seen by the existence of Rablais's "Gargantua and Pantagruel", Bocaccio's "Decameron" and other sometimes nasty books.
My favorite aspects of Rablais's book are (1) that he calls the reader blasphemous and lacking in faith in God if he doesn't believe various preposterous aspects of his story, such as that an enormous baby could be born from his mother's ear, and (2) that his characters justify various ridiculous opinions by bogusly claiming that they're shared by specific scholars of the Church, which is very much like people today backing up a stupid opinion by simply saying, "They've done studies!" It's very funny! |
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#8 (permalink) Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:53 am Do you like Medieval Literature? |
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The Church has a history of trying to preserve what is useful and important from pre-Christian times and giving it a Christian orientation. We all know that various pagan holidays were give Christian significance, and you can see this even in places like South America, where in the old days they might have paraded the mummy of their historical patriarch around the village square, they now use a representation of the Virgin Mary.
I find it a much better practice than that of later religions that burned down libraries, for example. |
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#9 (permalink) Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:15 am Do you like Medieval Literature? |
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I'm not sure who wrote this or how long ago it was written, but in 6th grade our English teacher read "The Hound of Ulster" to us, and I loved it. The book told some tall tales about a hero named Cuchulain (sp?).
He was really a tough dude. _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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#10 (permalink) Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:59 pm Do you like Medieval Literature? |
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Cuchulain (there are several spelling variants) is THE most famous hero/mythical figure from Irish folklore, with numerous exploits and deeds. Think 'Irish Achilles', with just a touch of Hercules thrown in.
He's one of the central figures in the epic Táin Bó Cúalnge, which is a legendary story telling of a cattle raid. Cuchulain at 17 basically defends Ulster single handed against invading armies.
His name is taken from a fierce guard dog he slew as young child. _________________ Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow.
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#11 (permalink) Wed Dec 24, 2008 13:02 pm Do you like Medieval Literature? |
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The only literature I've ever read was an ancient Malay literature, Hikayat Merong Mahawangsa, also known as The Annals of Kedah. I read it when I was in the 2nd form. It was a book studied by the 6th form students. There were many incredible things told about this fellow (Merong Mahawangsa) but since I couldn't understand half of the words used in the book, I didn't get what it was all about.
Interesting experiment, I should say, and I applaud the Malaysian government for reintroducing Malay and English literature, not only to the art students but also to the students in the science stream. During my time, only art students get to study them. But while the British influence was still strong in my country during my parents' time, they got to study literature even though they were in the science stream.
Now it's back again. Nowadays they even have an extra subject on technical English. |
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#12 (permalink) Fri Dec 26, 2008 20:16 pm Do you like Medieval Literature? |
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| Interesting experiment, I should say, and I applaud the Malaysian government for reintroducing Malay and English literature, not only to the art students but also to the students in the science stream. |
It's a good thing I think. People should learn and know more than their profession supposes. |
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#13 (permalink) Sat Dec 27, 2008 0:21 am Do you like Medieval Literature? |
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| ..I do not believe that Middle Ages.. |
Sorry for the typo. Being unable to edit your post after 24H of posting them is really too bad. :twisted: |
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