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Thank you Jamie (K) for your advices.
I will keep them very strongly like a lesson for the rest of my life.
I will not be naive about the reality.
I know that not all persons are bad, but I should stay alert about everything.
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| #48 (permalink) Sun Jan 11, 2009 0:16 am What do you know about Middle East? |
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Thank you so much![/quote]
There are many situations when arabs take their children, born in western, by force to be educated in their own contries. No matter what the mother say
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| Jordania wrote: |
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That's the best thing to do, Jordania.
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| #50 (permalink) Sun Jan 11, 2009 0:36 am What do you know about Middle East? |
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| Alfwm wrote: |
Thank you so much!
There are many situations when arabs take their children, born in western, by force to be educated in their own contries. No matter what the mother say |
I think it is the other way around. |
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| #51 (permalink) Sun Jan 11, 2009 0:55 am What do you know about Middle East? |
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| Happytofita wrote: |
That's the best thing to do, Jordania.
Good luck. |
Thank you Happytofita and everybody
Everything that all of you write is very interesting and also helpful :wink: |
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| #52 (permalink) Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:41 am What do you know about Middle East? |
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Hi
Sorry i don't know how the Middle East bahave, but i will tell you somthing, not all the Arabs people are like what you think, some of them are bad (it's true), but most of them are good persons, and don't forget, some Western also bahave so badly when they came to the Arabic countries, so we are not here to judge arabic or comparing them whith the Western, it's issue of how the other think about me, and why they bahave like that, of course every country has thier common traditons, however, it's story of chance, some of us meet a good persons It does not matter from where he is, and some of us meet bad persons then they give him a bad reaction about what they thing.
I think a good life starting when we consider the others like ourselves, no matter thier originality, it's kind of open mind ..
Just my point of view..
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| #53 (permalink) Sun Jan 11, 2009 13:09 pm What do you know about Middle East? |
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| You are right, Aryam. I still remember the story of a man who came here only to spread AIDS! And the other one in Agadir who recorded his "extracurricular activities", etc. The word 'good' would lose its meaning if it were not balanced by 'bad'. So, you will always find good and bad people wherever you go. Just keep in mind that what you consider to be bad, might not be that bad for others. So we must not make value judgments about things based on our own view of those things. Be open-minded and of course be careful. |
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A guy who went to another country only to spread AIDS?! That has to be one of those surrealistic news stories the Arabic press comes up with. The man was probably arrested for something else -- maybe something that is not considered a crime in most countries -- and the authorities made up the part about AIDS. Who would even tell the authorities that, even if that were really what he was doing!
It reminds me of a story I was told by a nurse who worked in Libya for a while. She said that it's well known in the medical community there that very many Libyans have congenital syphilis, but that they don't show symptoms, because their bodies over generations have become immune to the disease. She told me that some European girl would then arrive for a beach vacation in Libya, get seduced by some local Casanova, and in a few days arrive in the hospital with severe, classic symptoms of syphilis. The medical personnel all knew that she had caught syphilis from some Libyan, because this kind of thing happened all the time, but the Libyan authorities would deport her, accusing her of bringing syphilis to Libya and spreading it among the population. |
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| #55 (permalink) Sun Jan 11, 2009 13:34 pm What do you know about Middle East? |
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| Aryam wrote: |
| Sorry i don't know how the Middle East bahave, but i will tell you somthing, not all the Arabs people are like what you think, some of them are bad (it's true), but most of them are good persons, and don't forget, some Western also bahave so badly when they came to the Arabic countries, so we are not here to judge arabic or comparing them whith the Western, it's issue of how the other think about me, and why they bahave like that, of course every country has thier common traditons, however, it's story of chance, some of us meet a good persons It does not matter from where he is, and some of us meet bad persons then they give him a bad reaction about what they thing. |
Aryam, part of the problem is that many behaviors that Middle Easterners find acceptable and excusable are dysfunctional and even considered immoral or criminal in the Western countries.
For example, the man who marries a non-Muslim woman, has children with her, and then leaves her when his family wants him to divorce her to marry a Muslim girl, thinks he is doing the moral thing by obeying his family. We think he is doing something immoral by abandoning his wife and children. For us, after marriage the husband or wife takes priority over the parents.
A Muslim man who finds some easy girl, gives her some flowers and makes her say a few things in Arabic so that they are in a "temporary marriage", has sex with her, and then the next day makes her say some more things in Arabic so that they are "divorced", thinks he is doing things the moral way according to his religion, but to us Westerners he is just crazy. |
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| #56 (permalink) Sun Jan 11, 2009 13:43 pm What do you know about Middle East? |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Aryam wrote: |
| Sorry i don't know how the Middle East bahave, but i will tell you somthing, not all the Arabs people are like what you think, some of them are bad (it's true), but most of them are good persons, and don't forget, some Western also bahave so badly when they came to the Arabic countries, so we are not here to judge arabic or comparing them whith the Western, it's issue of how the other think about me, and why they bahave like that, of course every country has thier common traditons, however, it's story of chance, some of us meet a good persons It does not matter from where he is, and some of us meet bad persons then they give him a bad reaction about what they thing. |
Aryam, part of the problem is that many behaviors that Middle Easterners find acceptable and excusable are dysfunctional and even considered immoral or criminal in the Western countries.
For example, the man who marries a non-Muslim woman, has children with her, and then leaves her when his family wants him to divorce her to marry a Muslim girl, thinks he is doing the moral thing by obeying his family. We think he is doing something immoral by abandoning his wife and children. For us, after marriage the husband or wife takes priority over the parents.
A Muslim man who finds some easy girl, gives her some flowers and makes her say a few things in Arabic so that they are in a "temporary marriage", has sex with her, and then the next day makes her say some more things in Arabic so that they are "divorced", thinks he is doing things the moral way according to his religion, but to us Westerners he is just crazy. |
It is not the moral thing here either. I see nothing moral in that. |
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| #57 (permalink) Sun Jan 11, 2009 13:56 pm What do you know about Middle East? |
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| Happytofita wrote: |
| It is not the moral thing here either. I see nothing moral in that. |
Some Muslim countries and branches of Islam allow something called "temporary marriage" under Sharia law, which to a Westerner seems like a loophole to allow men to have immoral sex without technically sinning. |
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| #58 (permalink) Sun Jan 11, 2009 14:27 pm What do you know about Middle East? |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Happytofita wrote: |
| It is not the moral thing here either. I see nothing moral in that. |
Some Muslim countries and branches of Islam allow something called "temporary marriage" under Sharia law, which to a Westerner seems like a loophole to allow men to have immoral sex without technically sinning. |
That's a very controversial issue. They also call it "marriage for pleasure" (or sigheh). I think Shi'a are the only ones who believe in that. |
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I think it is the other way around.[/quote]
A western woman would be crazy if she lets his son to be educated without freedom
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| #60 (permalink) Sun Jan 11, 2009 22:14 pm What do you know about Middle East? |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Aryam wrote: |
| Sorry i don't know how the Middle East bahave, but i will tell you somthing, not all the Arabs people are like what you think, some of them are bad (it's true), but most of them are good persons, and don't forget, some Western also bahave so badly when they came to the Arabic countries, so we are not here to judge arabic or comparing them whith the Western, it's issue of how the other think about me, and why they bahave like that, of course every country has thier common traditons, however, it's story of chance, some of us meet a good persons It does not matter from where he is, and some of us meet bad persons then they give him a bad reaction about what they thing. |
Aryam, part of the problem is that many behaviors that Middle Easterners find acceptable and excusable are dysfunctional and even considered immoral or criminal in the Western countries.
For example, the man who marries a non-Muslim woman, has children with her, and then leaves her when his family wants him to divorce her to marry a Muslim girl, thinks he is doing the moral thing by obeying his family. We think he is doing something immoral by abandoning his wife and children. For us, after marriage the husband or wife takes priority over the parents.
A Muslim man who finds some easy girl, gives her some flowers and makes her say a few things in Arabic so that they are in a "temporary marriage", has sex with her, and then the next day makes her say some more things in Arabic so that they are "divorced", thinks he is doing things the moral way according to his religion, but to us Westerners he is just crazy. |
Look Jamie, that's right ,but let me tell you somthing, in arabic countries, men must be obey to thier parents that's "right", and most of thos parents refus that thier sons marry a non-Muslim, the problem here, is, when those men marry western women without the knowledge of their parents, that's why they divorce them and take the children with them, so what i'm saying, if those men know this problem well, why they chose a non-muslim, and cause her a problem with her sociaty, of course a wise men at least convince thier family after getting maried,if he realy respect woman, but others marry them to benefit of permanent residence in Western countries, but woman is woman muslims or not is woman, so why those arabic have this view about them,
The second exemple that you motioned, about "temporary marriage" it's like
using her like Napkin, then when he wants a real marriage of course his choice will be in arabic woman.
Jamie i don't really know why they behave like that, kind of a western girls are so easy, realy i'm surprised :? anyway , but the real muslims, i mean the real muslim doesn't behave like that, kind of "temporary marriage", or has a sex befor marriage,
because he knows the sex befor mariage is forbiden, or treat western woman as second citizen, no he respect woman, and for him she is very precious.
But those who you talking about are just muslims by name and don't respect thier religion that's why...
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