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#2 (permalink) Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:44 am than me or than I? |
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| The most correct choices are A and C, while keeping the verbs. Other choices are possible but more colloquial; some might consider what I just said to be pedantry and approve of all choices. |
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#3 (permalink) Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:54 am than me or than I? |
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Hi Ana Laura,
'They are older than we' is in my opinion as dead as a doornail.
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#4 (permalink) Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:43 am than me or than I? |
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Dear Alan,
You said 'they are older than we is in my opinion as dead as a doornail'. I searched the phrase 'as dead as a doornail' through google, and the results shown me that it means 'devoid of life (when applied to people, plants or animals) or unusable (when applied to inanimate objects)'. And Shakespeare used this phrase in King Henry VI. So you mean the option C is invalid by saying: xxx is in my opinion as dead as a doornail, right? Thanks. _________________ Today is a gift, that's why we call it the present. |
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#5 (permalink) Sat Feb 28, 2009 13:49 pm than me or than I? |
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I believe Alan meant to say: it is so old-fashioned that it is never used at all anymore, that it just sounds archaic, that it is a propped-up corpse. "As a doornail" is mainly an intensification of "dead". Opinions are not entirely agreed on this issue, but it is certainly seldom used in daily speech. |
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#6 (permalink) Sat Feb 28, 2009 14:12 pm Than me or Than I? (She swims better than me.) |
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I meant precisely what I said. _________________ English as a Foreign Language You can read my EFL story Word Story: Health |
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#7 (permalink) Sat Feb 28, 2009 14:20 pm Than me or Than I? (She swims better than me.) |
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Do not label me as crackpot but which one is correct? _________________ We are what we repeatedly do. |
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#8 (permalink) Sat Feb 28, 2009 14:37 pm Than me or Than I? (She swims better than me.) |
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| Alan wrote: |
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I apologize; I won't try to paraphrase your words anymore. (I did that just to explain the expression "dead as a doornail" to Infin1ty.) |
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#9 (permalink) Sat Feb 28, 2009 15:02 pm Than me or Than I? (She swims better than me.) |
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| Tilt wrote: |
| Do not label me as crackpot but which one is correct? |
According to the ruler-wielding, knuckle-smacking grammarian with her eyeglasses on a chain, A and C.
It was always drilled into me that since you should repeat the verb, it therefore was not grammatical to use the object pronouns.
As a slightly lesser sin, you might drop the repeated verb, but should still maintain usage of the subject pronoun, lest the English language devolve into a cesspool of fermenting ungrammatical froth.
That being said, I think you'll find that common usage has moved towards dropping the verb, and utilizing the object pronoun.
So, as to which is correct, I suppose it depends on whether you side with the Purists or the hoi polloi.
Since I still get a nervous twitch every time I see a ruler, I still try to use A) and C), although its easy to fall into the B)/D) trap. _________________ Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow.
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#11 (permalink) Sat Feb 28, 2009 15:13 pm Than me or Than I? (She swims better than me.) |
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I can't really identify with which side I am =)
Could you explain to which side I'm belonging If I'd like to say to a girl something like this:
I think she is not more beautiful than you are.
I do not like to be in "hoi polloi" =)
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#12 (permalink) Sat Feb 28, 2009 15:34 pm Than me or Than I? (She swims better than me.) |
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Hi,
I think it's best on this forum and on others to speak about language as it is in the 21st century. Purists have their place and we've had a few on this site who get really steamed up about what grammarians have said in the past but this sort of information clogs up the brain and doesn't help those struggling to come to terms with the English language as it is today. One of the greatest poets in English was wondering whether to write his epic Paradise Lost in Latin or English. His mates told him Latin was his best bet because English would never last. Our Thomas however decided to write in English and it's gone on to survive since then (17th century) because it has adapted to change. Good old Tom.
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#13 (permalink) Sat Feb 28, 2009 15:51 pm Than me or Than I? (She swims better than me.) |
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| Thank you very much for your help. |
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#14 (permalink) Sat Feb 28, 2009 19:22 pm Than me or Than I? (She swims better than me.) |
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Alan, You're absolutely right! _________________ We are what we repeatedly do. |
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