What is the place of grammar in language teaching?

[Milanya]

I am tired of arguing, let's agree to disagree.
And fire all teachers, to boot. Who needs them?
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[Tom c]

Hi Milanya
I have come up with this and i hope you dont mind that i used part of what you said and could you give me your apinion on the rest of it please.

What is the place of grammar in language teaching?

Grammar is an essential part of a language. The teaching of grammar is crucial in language teaching as is listening, reading, analyzing and imitating. Students need some explicit grammar training, partly because it gives them a target to shoot for, partly because it trains their "monitor" and allows them to correct themselves, and partly because it makes them aware of structures in the language that they may not otherwise have detected. If they know about these structures, they will notice them in their environments, and they will acquire them sooner.
One example of this situation is how most of ESL students never detect the past perfect tense, because in speech the auxiliary verbs are contracted and hard to hear. Someone needs to point out to them that the tense exists. Likewise, they don't hear the contracted auxiliaries in the future with going to. They think that native speakers are saying, "I going to do that," "He going to be here," etc. If they aren't taught the auxiliaries that are there, they might not acquire them.

[Milanya]

Tom c, I do not mind your using a part of my post. It is not copyrighted. I agree with what you are saying. Some people learn intuitively and do not need study rules very much. Some people learn analytically and need to know rules to understand material better. A good teacher has to be able to accomodate all of his/ her students' needs. To do so a teacher must be profoundly knowledgeable in all aspects of a subject.
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[Torsten]

[Tom c]

Hi Milanya
This what i have come up with question 2 could you give your opnion on this and is their anything you think i could put in to make it look better.

How necessary is it for a teacher of English as a Foreign Language to have a knowledge of English grammar?

It's extremely necessary for you to know the grammatical structure of English, not only from the point of view of traditional grammar, but also from the modern linguistic approach that goes deeper and explains a lot of things that are not explicitly taught. If you do not know a subject how can you teach it?

[Prezbucky]

The pedant in me is alarmed:

Unless you want to sound like an uneducated backwoods hick, practicing proper grammar is incredibly important.

A lot of very smart people seem stupid because they can neither speak nor write well.
To master grammar is to master the details of the language. This sets you apart. As Mies van der Rohe said, God is in the details. He was right: Details are the difference between average performance and mastery.
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[Milanya]

[Milanya]

[Prezbucky]

There are answers to all of those questions.None of us should stop trying to learn.
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[Tom c]

Thank you all very much you have all been very helpful. I would like to thank Milanya for all your help.

[Kitosdad]

That was a great discussion, and a subject that I have also considered at times.
Thankfully the topic has petered out before blood was spilled, rather like arguements about politics and religion. Anyway, the whole point of this Forum is to help students with the problems that they are encountering in understanding their " teachers " teaching . Let's get on with it.!!!
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