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Usage of participle / gerund #1 (permalink) Tue Mar 31, 2009 14:06 pm   Usage of participle / gerund
 

Hi everybody,
Please identify which one is gerund and which one is participle
in the following sentences.
1. -Having- finished high school, He got interested in engineering field.
2. After -finishing- high school he got interested in engineering field.
3. After -having- finished high school he got interested in engineering field.
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Usage of participle / gerund #2 (permalink) Wed Apr 01, 2009 0:14 am   Usage of participle / gerund
 

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Which are which, do you think, Hanifasmm?
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Usage of participle / gerund #3 (permalink) Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:37 am   Usage of participle / gerund
 

1. -Having- finished high school, He got interested in engineering field. (Participle)
2. After -finishing- high school he got interested in engineering field. (Gerund)
3. After -having- finished high school he got interested in engineering field. (Gerund)
Am I correct?
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Usage of participle / gerund #4 (permalink) Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:22 am   Usage of participle / gerund
 

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Yes, you are indeed.
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Usage of participle / gerund #5 (permalink) Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:20 am   Usage of participle / gerund
 

Mister Micawber,
In Oxford Advanced Dictionary Genie, for many verbs,
examples are given under titles [V -ing], [VN -ing],
[V to inf], [VN to inf], etc.
I find all examples under title [V -ing] are gerunds and
under [V to inf], all are infinitives.
This dictionary has given examples under title [VN -ing],
that contains verbal which look like both gerunds and participles.
Examples from the Oxford Advanced Dictionary Genie:
1. We would appreciate you letting us know of any problems. (participle)
2. He hates anyone parking in his space. (participle)
3. I didn't like him/his taking all the credit. (participle/gerund)
4. She resented him/his making all the decisions. (participle/gerund)
5. You can’t stop people saying what they think. (participle)
6. She was seen -running- away from the scene of the crime. (gerund)
Under title [VN -ing], what does the Oxford want to classify?
Is it participle or gerund or something else?
Could you please enlighten me?
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Usage of participle / gerund #6 (permalink) Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:33 am   Usage of participle / gerund
 

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I didn't like him/his taking all the credit.

I don't know what they are up to offhand, Hanifasmm, but this area is very grey. In the words of F.R. Palmer:

"[The alternative with 'his'] is the so-called 'half-gerund'. It is often in principle impossible to distinguish between the two alternatives in speech. We cannot, for instance, differentiate between the two structures in 'I don't like her doing that'. In view of the fact that these two structures are so little different in their usage, it is obviously utterly unprofitable to interpret the one in terms of a possessive + a gerund and the other in terms of a pronoun + a participle."

I concur.
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Usage of participle / gerund #7 (permalink) Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:46 pm   Usage of participle / gerund
 

In Oxford Advanced Dictionary Genie, they have given
examples under title [VN -ing] as below only.
3a. I didn't like him taking all the credit.
3b. I didn't like his taking all the credit.
4a. She resented him making all the decisions.
4b. She resented his making all the decisions.
I only presented as two sentences instead of four.
What I want to know that under title [VN -ing],
what the Oxford wants to classify.
Since [V -ing]represents gerund, what [VN -ing]
is representing?
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Usage of participle / gerund #8 (permalink) Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:56 pm   Usage of participle / gerund
 

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According to them, your list under VN-ing includes both gerunds and participles. I don't know what their system is-- there should be a page of abbreviations in the front of the book.
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