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#2 (permalink) Thu May 07, 2009 15:56 pm Simple present vs. present progressive |
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Hi Torsten,
I can't really think of a particular reason to use the present progressive over the simple present in that first sentence. Either would work to describe the picture.
Maybe it was just a random choice? You'd think they'd keep them all the same, or an even mix of the two.
My first thought was that 'are balancing' is more clearly descriptive of the accounting definition of 'balance', but after a second thought, I don't think somebody unfamiliar with the meaning of 'to balance' in an accounting sense would get any better context from 'are balancing' than 'balance'.
I think it just has to be a random choice. _________________ Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow.
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#3 (permalink) Thu May 07, 2009 16:14 pm Simple present vs. present progressive |
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Hi Skrej,
So if I understand you correctly it wouldn't make any difference if you said 'The man and woman are reviewing the schedule' to describe what you see in the picture?
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#4 (permalink) Thu May 07, 2009 16:21 pm Simple present vs. present progressive |
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In terms of the task being to describe the picture, I can't see any difference between "The man and woman review the schedule" versus "The man and woman are reviewing the schedule", no.
I can't really see any importance in referencing the exact time frame to describe a static picture. _________________ Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow.
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#5 (permalink) Thu May 07, 2009 16:29 pm Simple present vs. present progressive |
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Hi Skrej,
That's quite interesting because many grammar books use 'static pictures' to illustrate the difference between the present progressive and the simple present.
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#6 (permalink) Thu May 07, 2009 17:04 pm Simple present vs. present progressive |
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Hi Torsten,
This list of sentences in both P C and P S seems to be quite subtle (whether intended or not). In the first one (a) there is a sort of implication along the lines of: Now look, do you see what they are doing? They are balancing the books. The other three (b) (c) and (d) are more along the lines of the dramatic present where the facts are just presented as stark statements. It's rather similar to: I am walking along the street and what do you think? This man comes up to me and says he's a police officer and asks me for my identity card and I show it to him and then he walks away......
Just a thought.
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#7 (permalink) Thu May 07, 2009 18:52 pm Simple present vs. present progressive |
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| Torsten wrote: |
Hi Skrej,
That's quite interesting because many grammar books use 'static pictures' to illustrate the difference between the present progressive and the simple present. |
Hi Torsten,
Perhaps 'static' wasn't the best choice of vocabulary.
What I meant was, that since a picture is frozen at a particular moment in time, I can't see any particular benefit of indicating that the action is happening now (Pres. Cont.), versus a factual statement (Simp. Pres.), if your task is to describe the picture.
Certainly there are important differences between the two, and at times that difference is key, but if all I'm worried about is a test taker's ability to generate language to describe a picture, or decide if a given choice is actually occuring in the picture or not, I don't think those differences are important.
Stating that the act is an action in progress doesn't really give me any more information about the picture versus a factual statement of what's happening. I need more statements about the picture to garner more information, regardless of what tense they're given to me in.
As Alan's comment seems to indicate, those subtle differences don't really change the overall level of the summary.
Thus, back to your original question, I don't really see any particular grammatically-based reason for the author(s) of the question to have chosen PC over PS. I still think it's just a random choice.
I think Alan's summary of the differences is a good one, and as he said, may or may not have been a deliberate choice on what they meant to say, but there's still no grammatical reason to choose one over the other in a list of test answers. That subtle difference (intended or not) doesn't change the validity of that answer in terms of whether or not it applies to that particular picture.
Now, I've probably gone and over-talked this issue.... _________________ Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow.
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#8 (permalink) Thu May 14, 2009 18:09 pm Simple present vs. present progressive |
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Hi Alan and Skrej,
Thanks a lot for your explanations which make perfect sense. Now, if you look at the photo below would you say it makes a difference whether I say "Some of people are playing the guitar" and 'Some of people probably play the guitar"?

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#9 (permalink) Thu May 14, 2009 19:27 pm Simple present vs. present progressive |
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To me, there's a difference, yes. One states that people are actually playing the guitar at the moment of the snapshot, which they technically aren't, while the other clues me in to the fact that there must be some guitars in the picture, which aren't actually being played at the moment.
If I didn't have the picture, and you said "Some people probably play the guitar", I'd wonder why you thought they played the guitar, unless you followed up with another statement about the presence of the guitars.
If you say "Some people are playing the guitar", even without the picture it's completely clear what you mean.
Choose a different verb, though (say 'hold"), and it makes no difference.
"Some people are holding guitars" versus "Some people hold guitars", and it makes no difference in the description. _________________ Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow.
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#10 (permalink) Sun May 17, 2009 18:16 pm Simple present vs. present progressive |
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| The letter a is on present progressive tense because the act is taking place at present and no definite time when it will be end. Unlike the b to d, it is present tense because the actions are taking place at the present and has a definite time when will be end. Another thing you will notice at letter a sentence, the verb use ends at ing it means that the action is in present progressive tense not unlike other sentences that use a simple verb. I hope my ideas make sense to you. Thank you. |
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