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Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"?



 
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Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"? #1 (permalink) Wed Jun 03, 2009 14:04 pm   Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"?
 

Does "no more than ten" mean "ten" or "ten or less"?

Does "no less than ten" mean "ten" or "ten or more"?

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Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"? #2 (permalink) Wed Jun 03, 2009 14:40 pm   Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"?
 

Does "no more than ten" mean "ten" or "ten or less"? -- Yes; or 'only ten'.
Does "no less than ten" mean "ten" or "ten or more"? -- Yes; or 'at least ten'.
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Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"? #3 (permalink) Wed Jun 03, 2009 14:53 pm   Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"?
 

Hello Pooh,

The phrase "no more than ten" means "ten or less". As Mister Micawber mentioned, it can also mean "only ten".

The phrase "no less than ten" would usually mean "ten or more".
However, the expression "no less (than)" can also be used to show surprise, and that could include being surprised at what you think is an unusually large number of something. In that case, "no less than ten" might mean "exactly ten (!)" or "at least ten (!)"
For example:

Sally had been worried about whether she would be able to find a job, but she received no less than ten job offers yesterday alone! Now her biggest problem is trying to decide which offer to accept.

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Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"? #4 (permalink) Wed Jun 03, 2009 16:17 pm   Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"?
 

Thank you all.
That's exactly what I thought however,
I've got some stupid multiple choice questions asking me to
chose only one out of four, a,b,c,d.

Q: "I've head that the pay raise is no more than 10%."
What rate is the pay raise?

a. ten%
b. ten% or more
c. ten% or less
d. less than ten%

I'm not sure which I should chose, a or c.....
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Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"? #5 (permalink) Wed Jun 03, 2009 16:55 pm   Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"?
 

It's obviously 'c'.
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Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"? #6 (permalink) Wed Jun 03, 2009 17:09 pm   Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"?
 

But.... it could also mean just 10%, ritht?
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Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"? #7 (permalink) Wed Jun 03, 2009 17:13 pm   Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"?
 

No. "No more than 10" means 10 or less. You can get a 1% raise or a 10% raise, but not 11%.
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Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"? #8 (permalink) Wed Jun 03, 2009 17:57 pm   Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"?
 

Hello Pooh,

In that context, I would choose option c. (ten% or less). In other words, I would understand that the person wants to say "ten percent at the most". Perhaps the speaker might even be thinking of it as "only a maximum of ten percent".

I'd say the usage of "no more than" to mean "only (this exact thing)" would be more likely in a context that does not involve a very specifically stated amount of something:

For example:

- I was able to get no more than a fleeting glimpse of the President from my vantage point.

- I was able to get no more than a couple of fleeting glimpses of the President from my vantage point.

In the second version of that sentence, "a couple of" does not mean "exactly two". It refers to a small, but non-specific, number of glimpses.

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Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"? #9 (permalink) Wed Jun 03, 2009 20:35 pm   Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"?
 

Thank you. I understand what you mean.
Although I still feel that "a" is also OK to be as a right answer
because nobody knows the exact rate by the sentence,
we only know it could be 10 or any smaller numbers than 10.

So, your are right, "c" could be the best answer if we really have to choose one
but still you cannot deny "a" as a correct answer, there is always a possibility.

I think this kind of question is stupid and very misleading.
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Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"? #10 (permalink) Wed Jun 03, 2009 22:57 pm   Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"?
 

Actually, I agree with you, Pooh-- the exclamation could indeed mean that the raise is only 10% (exactly), when the speaker was expecting a bigger raise. However, I doubt that the test writer realizes that.
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Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"? #11 (permalink) Wed Jun 03, 2009 23:51 pm   Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"?
 

I'm glad you agree with me!

Actually I almost begun to wonder
if I was the only one who had such a way of thinking
since other people seemed to be perfectly OK with this kind of question.
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Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"? #12 (permalink) Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:37 am   Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"?
 

Pooh wrote:
I think this kind of question is stupid and very misleading.
Unfortunately, there are lots of other exercises and test questions to be found in the world of ESL that are even more misleading and dumb. Still, I have to say that I find it very difficult to choose option (a) in this particular example -- not without additional context or at least the exclamation mark that MM mentioned.

One reason I find (a) very improbable is the (limited) context itself. I have worked in quite a few companies, and none of those companies ever gave everyone exactly the same raise. Literally none of them.

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Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"? #13 (permalink) Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:10 am   Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"?
 

Then I don't think you have ever worked in a union shop, Esl. Across-the-board raises of a certain percent are a common topic of negotiation.
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Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"? #14 (permalink) Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:12 am   Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"?
 

In many cases the test writers never take the test.
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Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"? #15 (permalink) Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:58 am   Does "no more than ten" mean 'ten' or "ten or less"?
 

Mister Micawber wrote:
Then I don't think you have ever worked in a union shop, Esl. Across-the-board raises of a certain percent are a common topic of negotiation.
True, though nowadays across-the-board pay cuts seem to be getting ever more fashionable.

Nanucbe wrote:
In many cases the test writers never take the test.
Even if test-writers do take their own tests, they may still be unable to spot a particular oversight. An oversight or error may remain invisible to them until someone else points it out.

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