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| Those weren't miracles. They were the result of decades or even centuries of work by a lot of scientists, and a great deal of training on the part of the astronauts, some of whom died on their earlier missions or even during training operations. |
If it was a true ,then it was a miracle of human if you like..
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| Dad, next you're going to tell me that Hitler didn't really have all those Jews killed, and that the concentration camp photos were all hoaxes. Usually, people who think the moon landings were hoaxes also think the Nazi Holocaust is a hoax (or "an oax", as you appear to pronounce it). |
What is the relationship between Holocaust and the landing on the moon in this researching? regardless of it is true or not.. And what is the relationship between my broken leg and eclipsing of the sun. Don't mix the papers my friend Jamie please..
I would like to ask you a simple question friend Jamie.. Why there is no another flight to the moon, although the best means is more available at current time?
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| #18 (permalink) Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:02 pm The Miracle of landing on the moon! |
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Hello,
Relax.
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| Many people also don't believe that Mohammed spouted prophecies directly from God and they believe that most of the Koran is derivative of other scriptures. A lot of meticulous study has been done on this. |
Many people also believe that Christianity is Mithraism. A lot of meticulous study has been done on this. So what? People believe in different things.
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| Also, there are many people who believe that Mohammed will appear in the sky riding a white donkey at the end of the world, but they don't believe that astronauts landed on the moon. |
Relax. I have never heard of such a thing.
I do not care about what people believe in. Plus, I did not say they did not land on the moon. I just mentioned documentaries about the issue, which were made in the US. |
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| #19 (permalink) Sun Jun 07, 2009 13:03 pm The Miracle of landing on the moon! |
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| Jamilion wrote: |
| What is the relationship between Holocaust and the landing on the moon in this researching? regardless of it is true or not.. And what is the relationship between my broken leg and eclipsing of the sun. Don't mix the papers my friend Jamie please.. |
I was simply alluding to the fact that in the United States and some other places, people who don't believe in the moon landings also believe that the Nazi Holocaust didn't happen and that the Serbs didn't slaughter the Muslims in Bosnia. It's part of an overall mentality that says more about the person than about the events he doesn't believe in. The moon landing is just one of the favorite subjects of typical conspiracy theorists, and such people usually believe in all of those conspiracy theories. If someone tells you that astronauts never landed on the moon, you usually automatically know which other historical truths that he believes are hoaxes.
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| I would like to ask you a simple question friend Jamie.. Why there is no another flight to the moon, although the best means is more available at current time? |
There were six manned US landings on the moon from 1969 to 1972. Beginning in 1966, the Soviets landed two unmanned space crafts on the moon, they looped some space crafts around the moon, and they sent some in orbit around the moon. In 2008, India landed an unmanned space craft on the moon.
After 1972, the US space agency, NASA, shifted its focus from moon landings to other projects, such as the international space station operated with the Russians, and developing reusable space crafts, i.e., the space shuttles. In addition to this, they sent unmanned probes to Mars and other planets, including the moons of some planets that look as if they might support life. Mars is much more interesting than the moon, because there is evidence of various sorts of geological change there, and there is even evidence that microorganisms once lived on that planet. Basically, we know what is on the moon, and have pieces of the moon, and there are more interesting places to explore. I have read that NASA is now talking about moving toward manned space exploration again, such as to Mars, but this will be a long time in coming.
One result of the development of technology over the past 37 years is that it's no longer necessary to send humans to gather soil samples and other items to bring back for analysis. This can be done robotically on the planet being explored, and the data can be returned to Earth electronically, as has been done on Mars. Basically, they can now use robots to do a good deal of the research without risking a human life, just as in an automobile factory today robots do a lot of the dangerous jobs that humans used to do. |
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| #20 (permalink) Sun Jun 07, 2009 13:09 pm The Miracle of landing on the moon! |
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Jamie,
maybe you should be careful with all these blanket statements. That's only what you believe, doesn't mean it is the truth.
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| #21 (permalink) Sun Jun 07, 2009 13:15 pm The Miracle of landing on the moon! |
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| maybe you should be careful with all these blanket statements. That's only what you believe, doesn't mean it is the truth. |
That was such a blanket statement that I wasn't able to tell which statement you thought was a blanket statement. |
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| #22 (permalink) Sun Jun 07, 2009 14:12 pm The Miracle of landing on the moon! |
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Blanket statement?!.. and the aim that you want us to be lost in this labyrinth of blanket statement?
Tell us dear Jamie , do you really believe what you want us believe? :?:
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| #23 (permalink) Sun Jun 07, 2009 14:21 pm The Miracle of landing on the moon! |
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| Jamilion wrote: |
| Blanket statement?!.. and the aim that you want us to be lost in this labyrinth of blanket statement? |
Sorry, I can't understand that sentence.
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| Tell us dear Jamie , do you really believe what you want us believe? :?: |
What is so unbelievable about the Americans, the Russian, the Indians and soon even the Chinese being able to put things on the moon? These are technologically advanced countries with large budgets for space programs, and they can do things that the backward nations of the Middle East and North Africa can't even dream about. |
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| #24 (permalink) Sun Jun 07, 2009 15:03 pm The Miracle of landing on the moon! |
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So you Jamie believe that US's flag still flying on the moon..
I assure you if that really happened 40 years ago? you would spend your holidays there now... not still dreaming about putting things on the moon.
the science not only to believe in landing on the moon.. but also to know if that is possible or not ... And the science says : There is no way to the moon until now.
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| #25 (permalink) Sun Jun 07, 2009 15:52 pm The Miracle of landing on the moon! |
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Relax Jamie.
First, the nations you are talking about were the cradle of science. They gave too much to civilization. They must not be accused of backwardness.
Second, please, do not jump into religion and start telling lies about the white donkey (you always do that, by the way) each time we have a discussion.
Third, just relax. Your country is advanced. Nobody said otherwise. But you must also confess that it is drowning in immorality, right? Alcoholism, drug abuse, teen pregnancy, abortion, homosexuality, school violence, child abuse, pornography, rape, etc.
Finally, relax.
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| #26 (permalink) Sun Jun 07, 2009 17:33 pm The Miracle of landing on the moon! |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
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| Jamilion, there are many documentaries about this issue. Some say it did not happen at all! |
Many people also don't believe that Mohammed spouted prophecies directly from God and they believe that most of the Koran is derivative of other scriptures. A lot of meticulous study has been done on this.
Also, there are many people who believe that Mohammed will appear in the sky riding a white donkey at the end of the world, but they don't believe that astronauts landed on the moon. |
Why did you say this, we talking about landing on the moon not about the prophet, so there's nothing to do with religion here, even an exemple, so if it was true or just a fake, it's like when Jesus said that "there will be a prophet after me called Ahmad", some Christian believe that while the others did not, The issue here is to taking people into account of Miracles.
So if you believe in something do not expect the others will do, everyone has its own Beliefs.
For exemple the prophet attend what the humanity can't reach until now, so it's a miracle. |
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| #27 (permalink) Sun Jun 07, 2009 19:12 pm The Miracle of landing on the moon! |
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Dear Jamie, I didn't say that I didn't believe that the Yanks landed on the the moon. I said many experts had reservations about the pictures supposedly taken there. Many of these experts were American scientists.
If this is a display of your ability to read and assimilate, then no wonder that you are at odds with so many people here, or is it, like all Yanks, that you crave to be the centre of attention?
Don't be such a bloody know-all Jamie! You may appear superior, with your paid for education, but don't forget that you are arguing with people whose faith you are calling into question. My belief is that any religious text that was written by a human-being is open to question as to the scribes jaundiced viewpoint, and surely many revisions were carried out in the penning of these chronicles. Stands to reason that many truths and untruths were lost and modified along the way. However, this does not give me, or you, the right to question another's faith and belief in their particular religion.
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| #28 (permalink) Sun Jun 07, 2009 19:47 pm The Miracle of landing on the moon! |
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| Jamilion wrote: |
So you Jamie believe that US's flag still flying on the moon..
I assure you if that really happened 40 years ago? you would spend your holidays there now... not still dreaming about putting things on the moon.
the science not only to believe in landing on the moon.. but also to know if that is possible or not ... And the science says : There is no way to the moon until now. |
Jamilion, you're forgetting one very important thing: The moon has no air.
The American flag was never "flying" over the moon. Since there's no air on the moon, and no wind to blow a flag, the flag had to be mounted on some kind of stiff wire. That's obvious from the photos.
How would I be spending my vacations on the moon when there's no air up there? You may have noticed that the astronauts had to wear pressurized suits with self-contained breathing apparatuses, and that's not how I like to dress when I'm on vacation.
In addition to that, it's not economically feasible for tourists to go to the moon now. The government of a large country can put people up there but individuals can't afford it. There have been just a few space tourists, who mainly flew with the Russians, and the cost for them just to orbit the earth was over $20 million.
What I hear from you is a confidence that if Americans can do something they will do it all the way. You seem to imagine that if Americans could go to the moon, they'd immediately fill it with air to breath and build a new Disneyland up there, and that tourists would be flying there every day.
But, again, don't forget: The moon has no air.
I don't know if the flag is still standing up there, but other things the astronauts put there are still present on the moon.
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Hoax accusations
Some conspiracy theorists have insisted that the Apollo moon landings were a hoax. These accusations flourish in part because predictions by enthusiasts that Moon landings would become commonplace have not yet come to pass. Some claims can be empirically discredited by three retroreflector arrays left on the Moon by Apollo 11, 14 and 15. Today, anyone on Earth with an appropriate laser and telescope system may bounce laser beams off these devices, verifying deployment of the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment at historically documented Apollo moon landing sites. This evidence indicates the deployment of equipment which was constructed on Earth and successfully transported to the surface of the Moon -- though a manned mission was not necessary to do so. |
You can read the full article here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_Landing_hoax_conspiracy_theories |
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| #29 (permalink) Sun Jun 07, 2009 20:04 pm The Miracle of landing on the moon! |
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| Happytofita wrote: |
| First, the nations you are talking about were the cradle of science. They gave too much to civilization. |
You say they gave "too much" to civilization. Are you trying to say that they should have given less? Why was what they gave too much?
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| They must not be accused of backwardness. |
They were advanced 4,000 years ago, but that doesn't mean they are advanced now. They are scientifically and technologically backward today. Most of their advances have been given to them or bought from the Western countries and the nations of the Far East.
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| Second, please, do not jump into religion and start telling lies about the white donkey (you always do that, by the way) each time we have a discussion. |
Well, if several people of a certain religion claim that a certain person is going to appear in the sky on a white donkey at the end of the world, I tend to believe that's what they really think.
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| Third, just relax. Your country is advanced. Nobody said otherwise. But you must also confess that it is drowning in immorality, right? Alcoholism, drug abuse, teen pregnancy, abortion, homosexuality, school violence, child abuse, pornography, rape, etc. |
The majority of Americans don't have the problems you mention here, but they are big in the media, because they are titillating to viewers. The Arabic countries are also drowning in immorality, including financial corruption, nepotism, rape, prostitution (sometimes excused as "temporary marriage"), slavery, honor killings, forced mutilation of girls' genitals, rape, homosexuality (even among heterosexual men), church bombings, forced religious conversions, among other things. There is a lot of immorality in the Western countries, but the Arab countries are nothing to brag about when it comes to moral behavior. |
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| #30 (permalink) Sun Jun 07, 2009 20:06 pm The Miracle of landing on the moon! |
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| Kitosdad wrote: |
| Dear Jamie, I didn't say that I didn't believe that the Yanks landed on the the moon. I said many experts had reservations about the pictures supposedly taken there. |
Okay.
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| Many of these experts were American scientists. |
I think you mean American "scientists". |
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